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Old May 29, 2012, 09:12 AM
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Does anyone know how the Wh is to be computed? If itís based on actual charge since LiPos are shipped at half charge or less I donít see that it will be a big impact for most of us.
It won't be based on charge because they can't/won't test that. They also can't assume people are shipping them at half charge, it will likely be based on full capacity + a percentage to be in favor of safety.
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Old May 29, 2012, 05:45 PM
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Does anyone know how the Wh is to be computed? If itís based on actual charge since LiPos are shipped at half charge or less I donít see that it will be a big impact for most of us.
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Old May 30, 2012, 03:45 PM
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Since Smartpost does a handoff to USPS for the final delivery I'm guessing no. I don't think there is any way to get them to an APO address now.
Would a Smartpost shipment fly out of the USA on a FedEx plane though? I would assume that it would, and then be handed off to USPS once it's nearer the final destination.

I have a package stuck somewhere already
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Old May 31, 2012, 10:42 AM
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Would a Smartpost shipment fly out of the USA on a FedEx plane though? I would assume that it would, and then be handed off to USPS once it's nearer the final destination.

I have a package stuck somewhere already
Nope SmartPost is out:
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Neither UPS, DHL, nor FedEx ships directly to APO, FPO, or DPO addresses. FedEx offers a service for military boxes, SmartPost, which is subject to the same restrictions. After May 16, mailing an iPad to a loved one serving overseas would require mailing it to a civilian address in the host country--which, for a country like Kuwait, would make the price jump from the current Military Priority Mail rate of $5.30 to more than $20.
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Old Jun 05, 2012, 06:15 PM
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Does anyone know if a lipo pack categorized as ORM-D must be shipped in a separate box?
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Old Jun 06, 2012, 05:05 AM
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As long as the Wh capacity is less than 100 itís ok to ship. You can always order several smaller packs and parallel or series them to get what you need.
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Old Jun 06, 2012, 05:11 AM
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Wh is nomimal voltage of the pack x capacity in Amps.

2200 mah battery x 11.1V (3S) = 24.42 Wh.
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Old Jun 06, 2012, 05:14 AM
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Since this ban has gone into effect, we ship our lipo's via Fed Ex for our international customers. For small lipo's, there is not much, if any price difference between Fed Ex and EMS. Delivery from the US to most countries has been 4 days. If the battery is small enough, we put it in a small cardboard box and then in a Fed Ex envelope. For such a small weight item in the Fed Ex envelope, we get Internation Priority Rates lower than International Economy rates. I do not know if that is the norm or if our Fed Ex contract gives us this. Larger batteries are still more expensive to ship through Fed Ex.
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Old Jul 20, 2012, 08:34 PM
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I don't frequent this forum much so I was unaware of this new restriction until today. I placed an order a couple days ago for a couple 800mAh 2S packs from HobbyPartz, and they sent me a message today informing me that they aren't able to ship them to me because of this restriction. The thing is, I'm in Alaska, and even though they claim they can no longer ship to Alaska or Hawaii, I see nothing in the actual regulation that prohibits this. As far as USPS is concerned, Domestic means all 50 States, plus Territories.

Am I wrong?
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Old Jul 20, 2012, 10:14 PM
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I don't frequent this forum much so I was unaware of this new restriction until today. I placed an order a couple days ago for a couple 800mAh 2S packs from HobbyPartz, and they sent me a message today informing me that they aren't able to ship them to me because of this restriction. The thing is, I'm in Alaska, and even though they claim they can no longer ship to Alaska or Hawaii, I see nothing in the actual regulation that prohibits this. As far as USPS is concerned, Domestic means all 50 States, plus Territories.

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Its not really a new restriction.USPS has not allowed anything dangerous for quite some time.Probably as long as I can remember.At least since '81.They are making a stand because it has become obvious that the rules are not being followed.You can still get them shipped UPS or FedEx if the package is labeled "Lithium Ion cells". Im pretty sure that for the most part that is not being complied with either.In the case of USPS their logistics simply cant handle it.Alot of mail is subcontracted as cargo on commercial airliners.See the problem? They have trouble simply getting mail and packages to where they belong much less deal with special handling procedures.You really dont want LiPo batteries stuffed in the cargo area with lots of other boxes and burnable stuff piled on top of them.At least not in the airplane your riding in.
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Old Jul 20, 2012, 10:29 PM
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I guess my point is, unless I completely misread the regulation, the restriction is mor international shipping hand really has nothing to do with air transport. It even states that batteries within the right amounts are shop panel via air. The FAA allows them as carry-on and with some more restrictions in checked baggage.
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Old Jul 20, 2012, 10:45 PM
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As long as it's not going to a fpo, apo, dpo I don't see why they couldn't ship to Alaska under the rules.
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Old Jul 20, 2012, 11:23 PM
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I will look again, but I believe we can ship 3 batteries to Alaska via USPS. However more then 3 have to go by UPS or FedEx. This is being complied with by many companies as the fine is a federal offense. This is also new as it was but in effect about 1 month ago. If you ship any of these carriers the box most have a Li-ion label marked with a telephone number to call and do not load on plane if box is damaged. UPS and FEDex also have additional requirements.

I will check that Alaska issue tomorrow.
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Old Jul 21, 2012, 07:49 AM
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That's true there is quantity limits on domestic. The op didn't say exactly how many he ordered.
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Old Jul 21, 2012, 04:48 PM
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Hello,
I re read the USPS rules and it just prohibited internationally. So you can ship up to 3 batteries via USPS to Alaska.

Here is the code again:

General. The following additional restrictions apply to the mailability of all secondary (rechargeable) lithium-ion cells and batteries:
The lithium content must not exceed 20 Wh (Watt-hour rating) per cell.
The total aggregate lithium content must not exceed 100 Wh per battery.
Each cell or battery must meet the requirements of each test in the UN Manual of Tests and Criteria, part III, and subsection 38.3 as referenced in DOT’s hazardous materials regulation at 49 CFR 171.7.
The mailpiece must not contain more than three batteries.
All outer packages must have a complete delivery and return address.

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