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Old Jan 20, 2013, 09:43 AM
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Crash analysis....

We are looking at a 6 second window.
Crash starts in the middle.
1. Something happens causing the shake value to shoot up.
2. The shake corrupts the Altitude estimation. X_Veld
3. The FC tries to correct the nose falling with back elevator.
Due to the high shake I can't tell when it hits the ground.
Being only 10m up it would not have taken long.
4. My best guess of when it hits the ground.

So what happened?
No known crash conditions from the YS.
Most likely a broken prop as the owner suspected.
Stock DJI 10x4.5.
Thank you for having taken the time to make this detailed analysis. It teached me a lot on the way of doing a flight analysis. There are a lot of things I didn't notice, and parameters I didn't pay attention to when I tried to understand the reasons of the crash.
I had some complementary questions for my understanding:
-How to you calculate the time i.e.how did you locate the last 6 seconds?
Is it by calculating a number of points per second?
-One other cause of the crash could have been a motor cut (or power cut) due to a miscontact which could have generated the big shake.
If it was the case would one have been in a position to notice it through the curves?
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Old Jan 20, 2013, 02:08 PM
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Time, 5hz logging.
5 points = 1 second
You then manually set the viewport, Min.Max X


Motor cut may not have the shake as you would just loose power from that motor.
When a prop breaks there is great imbalance.
Would also notice a rise in voltage as the load decreased on the system.
A current sensor would help show that too.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...r#post23264290


If someone had a scrap quad and some tall grass they could test all crash conditions and log for our benefit
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 05:03 PM
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Anyone know what might be causing my elevator and aileron to be crossed? I am using the bus interface from FC to FySky receiver. I had this exact same configuration set up on a Steadi470 and it was fine. I have moved the YS-X6 to another quad that I am testing and have this issue. Everything looks ok on the tablet data - I move elevator and it changes values. Move aileron and those values move. Checked the assignment of channels on the transmitter (futaba) and it is ok. Maybe I just have a brain cramp - something I forgot to do when I moved the FC?

Update for anyone who might benefit from my stupidity! I had mismarked my motor/esc connectors and simply had two of them plugged in to the wrong assignment. Flipped those and everything works fine now. Now just wait for the wind to die down and try a test flight.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 03:35 PM
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best quadcopter to lift 4,5 Kg AUW with the longest possible flight time

Hi,
I am trying to understand how to fly a multirotor with a 2 kg. payload (including two 5.000 mAh batteries, a 700 gr. HDR and a 300 gr. FPV system) for 12 to 15 minutes.
To keep the AUW as low as possible, I think that I have to use a quadcopter instead of an hexacopter.
These are my findings:
RCTiger 3515 KV 650 x 4: 188 gr. x 4 = 752 gr.
ESC 40A x 4: 35 gr. x 4 = 140 gr.:
CF props 14x4.7 x 4: 25 gr. x 4 = 100 gr.
FC YS-X6: 212 gr.
2 axis camera mount with servo and landing skid: 600 gr.
5.000 mAh 4s x 2: 500 gr. x 2 = 1.000 gr.
FPV system: 250 gr.
Camera or HDR: 700 gr.

Total weight without frame is 3.754 gr.
I still didn't find a foldable quadcopter that could be used with the item described above weighing no more than 700 gr. so that could support an AUW of 4.5 kg.
Any suggestion for a good quadcopter?
Will 10.000 mAh keep the quadcopter flying for 12 to 15 minutes with that weight?
What could be a good alternative?
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:53 PM
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Anyone know what might be causing my elevator and aileron to be crossed? I am using the bus interface from FC to FySky receiver. I had this exact same configuration set up on a Steadi470 and it was fine. I have moved the YS-X6 to another quad that I am testing and have this issue. Everything looks ok on the tablet data - I move elevator and it changes values. Move aileron and those values move. Checked the assignment of channels on the transmitter (futaba) and it is ok. Maybe I just have a brain cramp - something I forgot to do when I moved the FC?

Update for anyone who might benefit from my stupidity! I had mismarked my motor/esc connectors and simply had two of them plugged in to the wrong assignment. Flipped those and everything works fine now. Now just wait for the wind to die down and try a test flight.
good to hear that you got it sorted. I always run motor rotation tests when completing a new built.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 07:57 PM
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good to hear that you got it sorted. I always run motor rotation tests when completing a new built.
Good advice. I actually did run a test to be sure the motors were spinning in the correct direction - they were. But unfortunately, #3 and #1 were crossed! Same direction but different control input. It cost me 4 props. Live and learn.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 10:51 PM
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Hi,
I am trying to understand how to fly a multirotor with a 2 kg. payload (including two 5.000 mAh batteries, a 700 gr. HDR and a 300 gr. FPV system) for 12 to 15 minutes.
To keep the AUW as low as possible, I think that I have to use a quadcopter instead of an hexacopter.
These are my findings:
RCTiger 3515 KV 650 x 4: 188 gr. x 4 = 752 gr.
ESC 40A x 4: 35 gr. x 4 = 140 gr.:
CF props 14x4.7 x 4: 25 gr. x 4 = 100 gr.
FC YS-X6: 212 gr.
2 axis camera mount with servo and landing skid: 600 gr.
5.000 mAh 4s x 2: 500 gr. x 2 = 1.000 gr.
FPV system: 250 gr.
Camera or HDR: 700 gr.

Total weight without frame is 3.754 gr.
I still didn't find a foldable quadcopter that could be used with the item described above weighing no more than 700 gr. so that could support an AUW of 4.5 kg.
Any suggestion for a good quadcopter?
Will 10.000 mAh keep the quadcopter flying for 12 to 15 minutes with that weight?
What could be a good alternative?
I get 10 minutes with my hex with Avroto 2/14 motors and a Sony PJ710.
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Old Jan 25, 2013, 12:27 AM
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Socratic.

Interesting, thanks for sharing !
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Old Jan 25, 2013, 09:27 AM
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I get 10 minutes with my hex with Avroto 2/14 motors and a Sony PJ710.
What is the AUW of the hexacopter wit the sony HDR?

In the specifications for RCTiger motors they indicate the percentage of power and the corresponding thrust.
For example, at 50% the thrust of one motor is 800 gr., at 65% is 1050gr. and so on.

What should be the percentage of power to take into account for the AUW of the multicopter? At what percentage of motor's power should the multicopter hover to avoid overloading the motors?
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Old Jan 25, 2013, 11:07 AM
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What is the AUW of the hexacopter wit the sony HDR?

In the specifications for RCTiger motors they indicate the percentage of power and the corresponding thrust.
For example, at 50% the thrust of one motor is 800 gr., at 65% is 1050gr. and so on.

What should be the percentage of power to take into account for the AUW of the multicopter? At what percentage of motor's power should the multicopter hover to avoid overloading the motors?
To work out your AUW, take 50% of the max thrust of each motor X no of motors and that will tell you what the total system will carry. But if you are flying hard and fast rather use eCalc to look at different scenarios.
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Old Jan 25, 2013, 11:14 AM
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Old Jan 25, 2013, 08:02 PM
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Did anybody try the latest firmware?
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Old Jan 25, 2013, 10:01 PM
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Did anybody try the latest firmware?
Do you mean the one that came out in December?
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 06:20 AM
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Do you mean the one that came out in December?
No the Last one realesed this january. My spanish dealer has it online, seems it comes with an improved algorithm offering more stability

Take a look here... http://www.rcinnovations.es/download...irm.manual.rar

I will try it on monday.
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 11:11 AM
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1. Something happens causing the shake value to shoot up.
2. The shake corrupts the Altitude estimation. X_Veld
3. The FC tries to correct the nose falling with back elevator.
Due to the high shake I can't tell when it hits the ground.

So what happened?
No known crash conditions from the YS.


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-One other cause of the crash could have been a motor cut (or power cut) due to a miscontact which could have generated the big shake.
If it was the case would one have been in a position to notice it through the curves?
I had exactly the same experience today.. Towards near the end of battery life suddenly I noticed horizontal unstability of my FY680 @ GPS hold , it was moving forwards and backwards within 2 meter range. I noticed my shake values increasing so I intended to land so I put to Manual mode, then it became uncontrollable. Lucky enough my copter was 1 meter from the ground when it went fast forward nose down so I had to cut the throttle just before it hit the ground. I had my GPS scratched, no broken carbon fiber propeller.. whewww!!

I would agree with Apache74 about loose contact because I had noticed the my battery connector a bit loose when I plugged in to my copter. I never use connectors on my ESC, they are all soldered straight. First time it happened to me. Later on I tested again and it was normal again.. Very lucky it never occurred when my copter was 20 meter on air.
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