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Old May 05, 2012, 01:07 AM
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Lib-Dems take a hammering in local elections

This is what happens when you abandon your core values and enable your party to carry the can for your coalition "partner".

Stage one in the reduction of the Liberal Democrat party to a sidenote in history. All of the grass roots support gained in solid performance in local politics and government of a quarter of a century thrown away, in a couple of years of being the fall-guy for the coalition.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17946745

Shocking turn-out figures overall though.
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Old May 05, 2012, 01:49 AM
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Yall gots to many parties in play
So labour is left of center ? What, like liberal lite ? Our rinos ?
Catchy slogan, "with you in tough times "
Much better than "Foward Bush's fault 2.0"
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Old May 05, 2012, 01:51 AM
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They asked for it,getting into bed with the Conservatives, they got shafted.
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Old May 05, 2012, 01:53 AM
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Yall gots to many parties in play
So labour is left of center ? What, like liberal lite ? Our rinos ?
Catchy slogan, "with you in tough times "
Much better than "Foward Bush's fault 2.0"
The Liberal Democrats are fairly centrist, slightly left of centre on some issues, slightly right of centre on others.

The New Labour Party is consistently slightly more left of centre, but nowhere near a genuinely socialist party.

The poor showing of the Conservative party in this week's local election has prompted calls from their supporters that they need to move away from the centre and become more right wing.
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Old May 05, 2012, 01:57 AM
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They asked for it,getting into bed with the Conservatives, they got shafted.
Yep.

I was initially optimistic that they could make it work, and perform a useful role in holding back the worst excesses of the Tories. It very soon became clear that my optimism was misplaced and the abandonment of so many key policies in order to prop up the Tory-led coalition has essentially destroyed the party.

Diane Abbot was saying this morning that they will be reduced to a tiny number of MPs at the next election and I think she is correct. The Liberal Democrat Party could essentially cease to exist in Westminster in three years time.
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Old May 05, 2012, 02:01 AM
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They will be back in their taxi.
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Old May 05, 2012, 02:11 AM
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Up here the problem is going to be in the independence referendum. We have the Tories not popular because they are in government. Labour not back to their old levels due to TB and GB and now the LibDems down and nearly out due to the current gov.
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Old May 05, 2012, 02:16 AM
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Up here the problem is going to be in the independence referendum. We have the Tories not popular because they are in government. Labour not back to their old levels due to TB and GB and now the LibDems down and nearly out due to the current gov.
Indeed. It sounds like it was touch and go in Glasgow on Thursday with the SNP almost taking the heartland from Labour. The voting dynamic you describe is definitely problematical for those who don't want independence. Was the turnout any better in Scotland than south of the Border?
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Old May 05, 2012, 02:23 AM
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Yeah. Before even debating policy and political philosophy, I don't see how the brits can trust the lib-dems to do what they say. I don't follow UK politics closely, but Nick Clegg for one just seems like a pathological liar.
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Old May 05, 2012, 03:32 AM
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Nick Clegg's star has been severely on the wane, since coming into power and turning 180 degrees on election promises, whilst failing to curb those Tory cuts. Before the election he was the golden boy, favoured over both of the other candidates and courted as a coalition partner by both of them.

Charles Kennedy was a far better leader of the Liberal Democrats and would have made a good PM, with a keen mind and excellent political skills. Unfortunately his drinking problem proved his demise as leader. Makes you wonder how Winston Churchill (or for that matter George Brown) would have stood up to such scrutiny about his drinking.....
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Old May 05, 2012, 04:12 AM
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An interesting exposť:

Right Honourable Gentlemen
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Old May 05, 2012, 04:18 AM
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I saw a comment on one of the forums which said "We voted for labour, not because they are any better, but because they are hated less than the current government"... How true, I thought!

Our MP is Lib-Dem - and when I emailed him a number of times about the NHS debacle, I warned him that any party that looked like it was involved in damage to the NHS would be "consigned to the dustbin of history."

Bearing in mind the low turnout for these elections, and the violent repudiation of the co-alition actions, as Leccy says, I'm afraid the Lib-Dems are doomed at the next general election. "Consigned to the dust-bin of History"!

Shame, as I've voted Lib-Dem often, on the hope that they wouldn't be as poisoned as the other 2 parties. (I voted Lib-Dem for this local election, but that's because locally they've been doing a good-ish job. And Eastleigh, our constituency, actually increased control of the local council.)

As for the comment about Nick Clegg being 'a pathological liar', I think it's more that he was a young boy, dazzled by the glitz of office, and unaware of how poisonous the Cons would be - thus allowing them to be seen as scapegoats (mainly because they failed in everyone's hopes that they would mollify the Conservatives wrecking of the community - and protection of those who have screwed the entire situation in the first place!)

What they need to do is to get some backbone, and either force a modification of the Cons policies, or in the end force a new election.

It'd do damage with the city (and us) but no more than allowing these to smugly continue with their no-growth, high-cost damage to the UK, (bearing in mind it was the City that us in the first place, and still continues to do so!)

Sometimes serious surgery is necessary to cut out the rot!
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Old May 05, 2012, 04:28 AM
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The thing is though Norman, that having put themselves in the position of facing extinction they are not likely to precipitate that by forcing an election. The Lib Dems will continue to carry the can for Tory policies, which will become even more right wing by the time of the next election, in the aim of trying to placate their own supporters. The most likely result is a Labour landslide victory in the next election- especially given that Gordon Brown and Tony Blair will both be completely out of the picture by them.

Did you see the most excellent cartoon of Ed Milliband as Wallace this morning?

Though the William Hague-Mr Magoo comparison is even funnier. Some excellent lookalikes here :-

http://forum.globaltimes.cn/forum/sh...ad.php?t=28625
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The thing is though Norman, that having put themselves in the position of facing extinction they are not likely to precipitate that by forcing an election. The Lib Dems will continue to carry the can for Tory policies, which will become even more right wing by the time of the next election, in the aim of trying to placate their own supporters. The most likely result is a Labour landslide victory in the next election- especially given that Gordon Brown and Tony Blair will both be completely out of the picture by them.

Did you see the most excellent cartoon of Ed Milliband as Wallace this morning?

Though the William Hague-Mr Magoo comparison is even funnier. Some excellent lookalikes here :-

http://forum.globaltimes.cn/forum/sh...ad.php?t=28625
Interesting enough, I reckon by only showing that "they've listened" and demonstrating real back-bone will they stand a chance of earning some 'forgiveness'!

(Plus, I still naively think that politicians should be interested in doing their job - rather than looking for the gravy.. )

BTW excellent lookalikes! Humour is so much funnier when there is truth involved!
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Old May 05, 2012, 04:40 AM
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Interesting enough, I reckon by only showing that "they've listened" and demonstrating real back-bone will they stand a chance of earning some 'forgiveness'!
I guess it;s gone beyond that - it;s one thing for old fogies like us to look at it pragmatically, but there's a large component of young people who, voting in their first ever general election, were a major contribution in providing the votes to put the Lib Dems into a position of forming a coalition government, only to be completely stabbed in the back. They are not going to forget that in a hurry.

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(Plus, I still naively think that politicians should be interested in doing their job - rather than looking for the gravy.. )
Indeed, but if the party literally gets decimated, which seems the likely outcome, that doesn;t help anyone, in the long run, as it makes the political arena more binary or, worse still, opens the door for parties like UKIP to gain a foothold.

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BTW excellent lookalikes! Humour is so much funnier when there is truth involved!
Some of them are very, very good and I hadn't seen them before. The Wallace MIlliband cartoon was on the BBC news this morning
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