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Old Aug 23, 2012, 04:18 PM
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It sounds like (and I'm hoping) it works similar to the JR 11X where you have your low point at 0% stick and your high point at 100% stick. Then you have the option to add from 1 to 6 additional points at any percentage stick in between. You can have 3, 5 or 7 points if you want a V-shaped curve, you don't need to use all 8. If you don't use them, your throttle curve wouldn't even know there were an even number of points available.

Just my speculation based on Jim's description but as long as each point is assignable to any stick position it shouldn't matter if the max amount is odd or even. Here's hoping.....
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Old Aug 23, 2012, 04:46 PM
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Just my speculation based on Jim's description but as long as each point is assignable to any stick position it shouldn't matter if the max amount is odd or even. Here's hoping.....
If Jim has done his homework (and I'm sure he has) , that's exactly how it will be....here's hoping too !
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 09:44 AM
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Yes, you have 0% to X% (the EPA limit of up to 150%) with 8 different individually programmable points. Unlike Graupner and others where you are stuck with a certain minimum amount between each point, you could define the points 1% apart. You can program the percentage via the stick position OR entering the value manually. This lets you define things precisely, which you really can't do easily with just stick movement.
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 12:40 PM
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Yes, you have 0% to X% (the EPA limit of up to 150%) with 8 different individually programmable points. Unlike Graupner and others where you are stuck with a certain minimum amount between each point, you could define the points 1% apart. You can program the percentage via the stick position OR entering the value manually. This lets you define things precisely, which you really can't do easily with just stick movement.
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Old Aug 28, 2012, 04:12 PM
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Jim, Will the new system be able to handle this configuration?

8 channel receiver (or greater)
->1 channel for ESC/THrottle
->1 spare channel only for powering my altitude recorder (Ram3)
6 servo glider
->2 servos for flaps
->2 servos for ailerons
->2 servos for tail, T or V both supported.

Throttle on left stick. Switch throttle off for landing and the stick now controls the flaps and also Crow. I can control flaps and crow tuning with either a slider or a dial each.

Some additional features I would prefer:
The ability to label my configurations so that they display when looking at the screen, such as Landing, Launch, Thermal, Speed/Reflex and so forth.

I hope it's fair to ask about features in this thread... ;-)

I sure hope for a release soon. My Aurora 9 is wearing on me the hoops I have to jump through to make it do what I want. Of course there's also no guarantee that this radio will accomplish the things I want.
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Old Aug 29, 2012, 10:48 PM
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Jim, Will the new system be able to handle this configuration?

8 channel receiver (or greater)
->1 channel for ESC/THrottle
->1 spare channel only for powering my altitude recorder (Ram3)
6 servo glider
->2 servos for flaps
->2 servos for ailerons
->2 servos for tail, T or V both supported.

Throttle on left stick. Switch throttle off for landing and the stick now controls the flaps and also Crow. I can control flaps and crow tuning with either a slider or a dial each.

Some additional features I would prefer:
The ability to label my configurations so that they display when looking at the screen, such as Landing, Launch, Thermal, Speed/Reflex and so forth.

I hope it's fair to ask about features in this thread... ;-)

I sure hope for a release soon. My Aurora 9 is wearing on me the hoops I have to jump through to make it do what I want. Of course there's also no guarantee that this radio will accomplish the things I want.
Yes, this all easily programmable with the new radio. You can make any input as any output through the flight mode setup. You can name the flight modes anything you like up to 20 characters.
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Old Aug 29, 2012, 10:58 PM
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december? for many I would guess the window for giving a crap about XPS business/products is down to mere weeks..or days. Forget the the new Tx that is no longer the issue. At 5% of XPS efforts I hope this Tx is worth the wait.

Maybe that bare minimal policy would be better aimed at the new Rx models and not XPS vaporware.
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Old Aug 30, 2012, 03:47 PM
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Jim,

The biggest part of the feature question above is can you switch the throttle stick assignment in mid flight so that in one mode the throttle stick controls the power, and in another it controls Crow/Flaps?

I'm not sure from a mode assignment up front that this would be supported. It depends on how you implment modes. If you can select what options change in a mode, or how that is done.

Thanks again, Dale
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Old Aug 30, 2012, 09:01 PM
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Jim,

The biggest part of the feature question above is can you switch the throttle stick assignment in mid flight so that in one mode the throttle stick controls the power, and in another it controls Crow/Flaps?

I'm not sure from a mode assignment up front that this would be supported. It depends on how you implment modes. If you can select what options change in a mode, or how that is done.

Thanks again, Dale
That would be very useful, as with many of my electrified scale sailplanes, I'd sure like to switch from throttle to flap,crow or spoiler on the throttle stick for landings. It'd beat presently having to use a switch or side slider for one. Here's hoping. Thanks.
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Old Aug 30, 2012, 09:05 PM
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the radio has 32 mixes to play with and a throttle curve... so even if you set it up as curve mixes, should be able to get it done.
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Old Aug 30, 2012, 11:39 PM
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Jim,

The biggest part of the feature question above is can you switch the throttle stick assignment in mid flight so that in one mode the throttle stick controls the power, and in another it controls Crow/Flaps?

I'm not sure from a mode assignment up front that this would be supported. It depends on how you implment modes. If you can select what options change in a mode, or how that is done.

Thanks again, Dale
Pretend you have 8 completely independent models, and you can switch between any of them with the flip of a few switches.

If you want throttle on the left stick in mode 1, with a flip of a switch you could change the flight mode to 2 and now the throttle is on the right slider, reversed in direction, the EPA set at 20% one direction and 82% the other direction, and a center offset at 1700us.

It really is just 8 models available all at the same time.
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Old Aug 30, 2012, 11:50 PM
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Jim, sounds great!
Thanks, in trying to set this up on other radios it's really a pain and they act as if I'm nuts for trying to use the same stick for two things. It makes sense to me as there is a clean transition, power is off at the bottom, on at the top and nicely variable; exactly how I control Crow, and I never use Crow with power so it works. I also program it so that you CANT enable power in the landing mode so I don't have to worry about ripping flaps off. IF I transition to another mode Flaps are disabled and retract.

Thanks for your time and work. Dale
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Old Aug 30, 2012, 11:59 PM
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Pretend you have 8 completely independent models, and you can switch between any of them with the flip of a few switches.

If you want throttle on the left stick in mode 1, with a flip of a switch you could change the flight mode to 2 and now the throttle is on the right slider, reversed in direction, the EPA set at 20% one direction and 82% the other direction, and a center offset at 1700us.

It really is just 8 models available all at the same time.
Perfect. It'll all be worth the wait. THANKS
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Old Aug 31, 2012, 06:03 AM
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Jim, sounds great!
Thanks, in trying to set this up on other radios it's really a pain and they act as if I'm nuts for trying to use the same stick for two things. It makes sense to me as there is a clean transition, power is off at the bottom, on at the top and nicely variable; exactly how I control Crow, and I never use Crow with power so it works. I also program it so that you CANT enable power in the landing mode so I don't have to worry about ripping flaps off. IF I transition to another mode Flaps are disabled and retract.

Thanks for your time and work. Dale
Sounds like you could easily use one of the 3-position switches to select the modes which you might call Power, Crow and Land. Based on that switch you can program the left stick to have the appropriate output behaviour and to set the Throttle channel output to zero when not in Power mode. Same thing with the flap behaviour either controlled or fixed based on the mode. Should be quite easy with the concepts Jim has shared about the programming.
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Old Aug 31, 2012, 09:49 AM
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Programming does sound outstanding. I'm mostly a 3D guy and have always tied rates for all surfaces to a single switch (low, med, high rates). There are times I've wanted to separate each surface to it's own switch but I fear I may struggle changing over to having to manage a different switch for each. With XPS I think I could have one switch set all low rate in pos 1, all high rate in pos 2, and pos 3 set a mode where three different switches (no shortage of 3 pos switches) independantly control rates for elev, ail, rudd.... that would be way cool for me
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