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Old Apr 17, 2012, 01:04 PM
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Buried Spitfires Found in Burma

Wow, this should be a great find. Brand new Spitfires still in crates found buried in Burma.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/17/buried-treasure-world-war-ii-spitfires-to-be-unearthed-in-burma/?hpt=hp_t2
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Old Apr 17, 2012, 01:07 PM
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I heard about that the other day! Thanks for the link!
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Old Apr 17, 2012, 01:33 PM
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From the article, they were shipped in 1945, so we can feast our eyes on the very latest version of this legendary plane. I can't wait to see the exhibit!
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Old Apr 17, 2012, 02:21 PM
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Cool story!
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Old Apr 17, 2012, 03:25 PM
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Can't wait to see pics.
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Old Apr 17, 2012, 04:05 PM
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OMG,
Now thats the best treasure to find. There are rumours around where I live that old surplus aircraft and equipment was also buried under a mountain after WW2. A few people have looked but located nothing so far. One day we too may have a relic found in pristine condition and then be able to be restored to flying condition.
It will be great to see the pictures of these once the crates are opened.

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Old Apr 17, 2012, 04:19 PM
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I sure hope that the Merlin engines are not completely rusted once uncrated. That would be a travesty. Wonder how waterproof these crates are.
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I sure hope that the Merlin engines are not completely rusted once uncrated. That would be a travesty. Wonder how waterproof these crates are.
One article I read indicted they were Mk14's, with RR Griffon engines.

... I suspect only time will tell.

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Sadly based on other 'lost' WW2 aircraft 'finds of the not too distant past .. the story is likely BS or at best only slightly accurate.
Large possibility that IF existant, only the ID plates will be reusable..
But then that is all that separates a freshly recreated Replica from the 'genuine' article :-)
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Old Apr 17, 2012, 05:04 PM
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Sadly based on other 'lost' WW2 aircraft 'finds of the not too distant past .. the story is likely BS or at best only slightly accurate.
Large possibility that IF existant, only the ID plates will be reusable..
But then that is all that separates a freshly recreated Replica from the 'genuine' article :-)
The story was reported by CNN, Time Magazine, and other major news outlets, so I'm more optimistic than you are.
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Old Apr 17, 2012, 05:06 PM
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Sadly based on other 'lost' WW2 aircraft 'finds of the not too distant past .. the story is likely BS or at best only slightly accurate.
Large possibility that IF existant, only the ID plates will be reusable..
But then that is all that separates a freshly recreated Replica from the 'genuine' article :-)
What, like Glacier girl?
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Old Apr 17, 2012, 05:11 PM
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Interesting story. I would think they will be in good shape if they do exist...probably pretty dry though I suppose bugs might have gotten to the wooden parts. The motors should be perfect because they would be coated in oil when assembled.
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Interesting story. I would think they will be in good shape if they do exist...probably pretty dry though I suppose bugs might have gotten to the wooden parts. The motors should be perfect because they would be coated in oil when assembled.
Not much wood in a Spitfire. They were all-metal monocoque.
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Old Apr 17, 2012, 05:19 PM
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Latest internet news is that they seemed to be in pretty good shape and a deal has been struck to bring them back to the UK
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Old Apr 17, 2012, 06:47 PM
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Well it's a nice idea but a big hole is not the best means of disabling an aeroplane.

If they do exist methinks they will be in a similar shape to the 1957 Plymouth in its nuclear bomb proof shelter in Oklahoma City.
http://telstarlogistics.typepad.com/...ow_its_of.html

It was common to bury surplus stuff after the war from what I've heard; Hethel (Lotus Factory) was rumoured to have a hoard of B24 engines and jeeps buried somewhere on site, and MIRA had trouble with magnetic anomolies due to big lumps of ferrous material buried by the RAF.

"So I've heard". "rumoured".

Quite.

The odd thing is that almost every airfield I've worked at has some "rumour" of piles of buried aircraft/engines/jeeps etc but its even more odd that no one's ever found any of them, anywhere. As this bizarre and labour intensive activity was so "common" there should be hundreds of vets who would remember doing this, yet there are none, scores of photos and other records (because the military are scrupulous record-keepers), yet there are none, and piles of geological evidence all over the world. All of which are unaccountably absent.

The statement that these things are buried 6m deep is the clincher. I simply don't believe it. ANo one - but no one, buries anything except nucler wasye that deep. It is a massive operation. If you want to get rid of or hide something you scrape as shallow as you can get away with, a 6m hole is a major engineering exercise requiring months of labour or weeks with several bulldozers , and one that deep to take 20 crated aircraft would be hald the size of a football pitch. 6m of soil would crush wooden crates flat instantly. I doubt an ISO box would survive that for 60 years. Engines might survive, airframes never.

Now, does anyone have ;

a) Pictures of Spitfires or similar a/c crated with wings packed next to the fuselage in theatre as opposed to on docks or ships? Did that ever happen? Surely the crates would be stripped off at the docks and the load broken down into smaller pieces to ease transport, taken to the nearest airfield and assembled there for delivery in the conventional manner. Were crated aircraft ever delivered to airfields? Any info about crated aircraft in fact. It would be good to know just how common crated transport was.
b) Dimensions and weight of said crated aircraft.
c) Were armament, engines & props included in crated aircraft or boxed seperately? That's going to mak one heck of a heavy crate if its all together.
d) How far from the coast (ie docks) is this burial site?

Wiki says of ground penetrating radar;

"Good penetration is also achieved in dry sandy soils or massive dry materials such as granite, limestone, and concrete where the depth of penetration could be up to 15 m. In moist and/or clay-laden soils and soils with high electrical conductivity, penetration is sometimes only a few centimetres".

They certainly didn't dig 6m into granite or limestone, and dry sandy soil doesn't sound like soggy monsoon ridden Burma.

And finally, why go to such massive effort when a platoon of erks with a few cans of gas could do the same job before tea-break. It just doesn't add up, or even start to.
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