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Old Apr 11, 2012, 12:08 PM
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People not having huge problem with CF doesn't mean it's best material, actually it's a very bad material for receivers and may for FC. There's a reason why receiver manufacture recommend receiver not mounted near CF. We only interested in what's best for Professional applications, robust, long range, peace of mind reception. We have been designing helicams for the past 4 years and flying for over 8 years. All of our helicam crashes are all related to reception problems. And reception related crashes are the worst experience for pilot to go through, because there's nothing you can do.

We are not hiding the weight, it around 5Lbs to 6lbs for the frame, Just can't confirm the actual weight at the moment as we are working the final version at the moment. And can give you guys actual weight in a few days.

We don't mind the extra weight, as it give extra stability in high wind and smoother movement for filming. The frame with all the motors are around 15lb and camera mount and camera is around 21lbs, which is similar weight as our 700/800 helicam. It's actually our target weight to be similar to 700/800 helicams and we also manage to have 15 to 20 lbs of lift.

There's always a trade off with any design, but it's the choice of the designer to determine what is more important and it's buyer's choice, if that design makes sense to them. We choose G10, it adds weight and less flight time. You gain more robust radio reception and higher wind stability and smoother filming platform and cost 30% less. Every buyer will have different needs and there are different products that satisfy your needs.

In my opinion, CF is for 3D not AP. CF's trade off in AP application is not very good in our book.

This is the way we prefer to design it.
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Old Apr 11, 2012, 01:22 PM
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We shall have to agree to disagree. The interesting thing is that the very very best pro AP guys are using Cinestar and droidworx frames which are CF.

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In my opinion, CF is for 3D not AP. CF's trade off in AP application is not very good in our book.

This is the way we prefer to design it.
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Old Apr 11, 2012, 01:34 PM
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People not having huge problem with CF doesn't mean it's best material, actually it's a very bad material for receivers and may for FC. There's a reason why receiver manufacture recommend receiver not mounted near CF. We only interested in what's best for Professional applications, robust, long range, peace of mind reception. We have been designing helicams for the past 4 years and flying for over 8 years. All of our helicam crashes are all related to reception problems. And reception related crashes are the worst experience for pilot to go through, because there's nothing you can do.

We are not hiding the weight, it around 5Lbs to 6lbs for the frame, Just can't confirm the actual weight at the moment as we are working the final version at the moment. And can give you guys actual weight in a few days.

We don't mind the extra weight, as it give extra stability in high wind and smoother movement for filming. The frame with all the motors are around 15lb and camera mount and camera is around 21lbs, which is similar weight as our 700/800 helicam. It's actually our target weight to be similar to 700/800 helicams and we also manage to have 15 to 20 lbs of lift.

There's always a trade off with any design, but it's the choice of the designer to determine what is more important and it's buyer's choice, if that design makes sense to them. We choose G10, it adds weight and less flight time. You gain more robust radio reception and higher wind stability and smoother filming platform and cost 30% less. Every buyer will have different needs and there are different products that satisfy your needs.

In my opinion, CF is for 3D not AP. CF's trade off in AP application is not very good in our book.

This is the way we prefer to design it.
I had a feeling it was heavy. Thats lot of unecessary weight to save money on material.
You should do a little more research. Us multi guys are very well aware what CF can cause signal issues if the RX is completely surrounded by CF(like a dome).
Not sure why you keep mentioning flight controllers though.
Everyone is entitled to there OP but as a frame designer you should understand what you are saying and have something to back it up.
The reason that ALL quality AP frames are CF is if they were G10 they would be tanks and too heavy for AP.
Its not cus it looks pretty.
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Old Apr 11, 2012, 02:05 PM
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We specifically want to use G10 and well aware of the trade off from the very start.

We are working pro rc aerial photographer for many years, our experience leads to G10, not CF. And definitely, not trying to save money on material, as the buyer will be paying, not us.

It's when you crash a $10,000 flying cam due to inferior reception, because CF sounds cooler, till you learn. Been there, done that.

Seriously, If you give us a CF version of our frame, we would not use it as a working platform, it will be a display.
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Old Apr 11, 2012, 04:15 PM
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No, It's our AeriCam 360 Camera Mount that we been selling for a while. And we are currently working on a heavy duty 3 Axis camera mount for big cameras and also testing a Gyro stabilize camera mount specially for the Aericam multicopters.
Oh I see now, sorry. I've actually seen that mount already, looks very good. I like the dampening idea on the tray.
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Old Apr 12, 2012, 12:45 AM
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Well to rich for me I am not a pro just a weekend flyer, I fly for fun but I have to say it sure is a really nice looking frame.
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Old Apr 12, 2012, 12:54 AM
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Lets try to not be discouraging to someone coming out with something new. Not very friendly I think.
Well said!
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Old Apr 12, 2012, 03:07 AM
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quadman: my old field Sierra Point. Used to fly there like 5 years ago where the radio tower was. that was a great field.

good luck with your frame. looks pretty nice.
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Old Apr 12, 2012, 11:50 AM
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quadman: my old field Sierra Point. Used to fly there like 5 years ago where the radio tower was. that was a great field.

good luck with your frame. looks pretty nice.
Should come by sometime. Think I ran into you once while I was flying my heli near Golden Gate Bridge many years back.
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Old Apr 12, 2012, 12:00 PM
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Well said!
thank you.

I'm glad I came across this thread, because I've had my finger on the trigger to purchase another Droidworx frame, but I will seriously consider the AeriCam X6.
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Old Apr 12, 2012, 12:07 PM
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thank you.

I'm glad I came across this thread, because I've had my finger on the trigger to purchase another Droidworx frame, but I will seriously consider the AeriCam X6.
If you spend sometime thinking through the arm's shape by bringing the blades closer to center and yet away from electronic parts, you'll realize the design is really nice. As the arms begin to stretch, motor vibration become amplified which ends affecting the sensors and the camera. For me, this was the eye catcher. And also doesn't get affected by wind as a a wider copter would.
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Old Apr 12, 2012, 12:10 PM
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If you spend sometime thinking through the arm's shape by bringing the blades closer to center and yet away from electronic parts, you'll realize the design is really nice. As the arms begin to stretch, motor vibration become amplified which ends affecting the sensors and the camera. For me, this was the eye catcher. And also doesn't get affected by wind as a a wider copter would.
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thanks for the info.
lets also not forget that this frame just looks badass as well
Its got form, function and aesthetic appeal!

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Old Apr 12, 2012, 12:14 PM
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lets also not forget that this frame just looks badass as well
I thought I'd skip going over the obvious part

You take that thing out in the public and fly it, you need to find a way to get ride of people bugging you and asking you questions...
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Old Apr 12, 2012, 12:17 PM
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I thought I'd skip going over the obvious part

You take that thing out in the public and fly it, you need to find a way to get ride of people bugging you and asking you questions...
does that actually fly?
how much did it cost?
how far away can it fly?
is it easy to fly?
and of course
can I fly it?

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Old Apr 12, 2012, 12:19 PM
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does that actually fly?
how much did it cost?
how far away can it fly?
is it easy to fly?
and of course
can I fly it?

Sounds like you've been there...
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