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Old Apr 04, 2012, 03:41 AM
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It sounds like you are making up for a shortage somewhere else
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Old Apr 04, 2012, 04:07 AM
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You guys don't want guns because of some school shooting and begged the government to take away your guns. You people got scared.
We got shooting here in Los Angeles everyday. Had to drive past police line of fire on the way home one day. They had their guns drawn. Ask around, people don't think about it. Yes, guns do make people feel macho. When you have 5 M16 rifle, you feel invincible. That is part of the American attitude for some.

Ultimately, gun is power. If guns can't challenge the government, then why do China severely restrict guns. Why did Mexico restrict guns after riot in the 60's. Now the best power is the kind you don't use. The last thing you want is an actual gun fight like in Egypt. But just having guns is a deterrent to any government trying over reach their power. That is the beauty of citizens having guns. The psychology on the government is there. Government knows there are limits.

When someone has firearm, relationship changes. Just like relationship between US and China. We are never going to fire a single shot at each other. But just the presence of massive armaments results in a respect for each other. Remember the US was going to do some naval practice in East China Sea. China objected, and US moved the naval simulation to other side of Japan. China never fired a shot, and they are way weaker than the US. We could squash them although at a great cost. US recognize that, and we moved our naval simulation because of the respect for their power. Imagine China only had sticks and knifes, US would just do their naval simulation next to the beach. That is between countries, but concept is the same. Got power, and people respect your. Don't have it, and people walk over you.

In the same way, there is a continuous power play of various groups fighting for control. Of course there can be stability and freedom without guns. Guns is just one more tool to balance the power.
All this non sense might make more sense if the folks holding the weapons thought rationally but they dont. Addiction is what is driving violence in gun crime through the roof. You folks keep buying into the idea that total drug addicts think with reason. You also keep making the mistake of adding more weapons to the mix
I would agree that guns are power as its proven every time some poor pharmacist has to hand over her/his Oxycontin under gunpoint.
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Old Apr 04, 2012, 04:23 AM
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All this non sense might make more sense if the folks holding the weapons thought rationally but they dont. Addiction is what is driving violence in gun crime through the roof. You folks keep buying into the idea that total drug addicts think with reason. You also keep making the mistake of adding more weapons to the mix
I would agree that guns are power as its proven every time some poor pharmacist has to hand over her/his Oxycontin under gunpoint.
Let's make armed robbery illegal -- problem solved.
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Old Apr 04, 2012, 05:06 AM
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Let's make armed robbery illegal -- problem solved.
I suppose quick slogans are better than actually coming up with a plan that will sort out the high murder rate you have.
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Old Apr 04, 2012, 05:07 AM
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Anyway, why do you need guns?

All you need is;

Trunk Monkey!!!!

The Trunk Monkey (2 min 9 sec)
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Old Apr 04, 2012, 05:08 AM
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You guys don't want guns because of some school shooting and begged the government to take away your guns. You people got scared.
We got shooting here in Los Angeles everyday. Had to drive past police line of fire on the way home one day. They had their guns drawn. Ask around, people don't think about it. Yes, guns do make people feel macho. When you have 5 M16 rifle, you feel invincible. That is part of the American attitude for some.


Ultimately, gun is power. If guns can't challenge the government, then why do China severely restrict guns. Why did Mexico restrict guns after riot in the 60's. Now the best power is the kind you don't use. The last thing you want is an actual gun fight like in Egypt. But just having guns is a deterrent to any government trying over reach their power. That is the beauty of citizens having guns. The psychology on the government is there. Government knows there are limits.

When someone has firearm, relationship changes. Just like relationship between US and China. We are never going to fire a single shot at each other. But just the presence of massive armaments results in a respect for each other. Remember the US was going to do some naval practice in East China Sea. China objected, and US moved the naval simulation to other side of Japan. China never fired a shot, and they are way weaker than the US. We could squash them although at a great cost. US recognize that, and we moved our naval simulation because of the respect for their power. Imagine China only had sticks and knifes, US would just do their naval simulation next to the beach. That is between countries, but concept is the same. Got power, and people respect your. Don't have it, and people walk over you.

In the same way, there is a continuous power play of various groups fighting for control. Of course there can be stability and freedom without guns. Guns is just one more tool to balance the power.
I think you'll find we have chosen to not have free availability of guns from before your country existed! (Which doesn't mean guns aren't available - just not encouraged for all).

And what's with this 'beg your Government' crap? A Government isn't an alien creature etc - it's us (even if they don't act like it some times )!

And to say how you are all use to such displays of weapons / deaths / gunfire is exactly the point that others see - it's a sad state of affairs when your lives have sunk so low that you regard such occurrences as 'normal'!

Still, I guess that it's the same as those in an asylum think everyone outside is mad...

And whilst you indeed have some truth in the fact that power can prevent you being 'walked over', it can also cause you to be in conflict - resulting in many deaths.
But I 'spose that if you don't care about all the deaths and care more about thinking everyone will go 'Wow! What a man he is!' (even when they may actually think 'Wow! What an arse!') then it's not of any importance.

How do you think the rest of the World gets along (you know - all the bits that aren't the U.S. and which are actually bigger than the U.S.)?
Hey... have you thought about... working with them? Having respect for them?

WOW! A new approach! Try it sometime... (it's called 'growing up' )
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Old Apr 04, 2012, 11:10 AM
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Old Apr 04, 2012, 11:56 AM
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Anyway, why do you need guns?

All you need is;

Trunk Monkey!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiQID1YPWlE
You'll notice that Trunk Monkey had a shotgun.
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Old Apr 04, 2012, 12:01 PM
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So have we.
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Old Apr 04, 2012, 12:05 PM
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So have we.
As you well should be able to, should you feel the need, or even mild desire.
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Old Apr 04, 2012, 12:15 PM
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But properly licenced.
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Old Apr 04, 2012, 01:28 PM
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Our shotguns don't need to drive, so not much need for licenses.

But seriously, licenses in the US are all too often used to restrict possession, from those who would ordinarily be qualified.

When the new LA police chief got his handgun license, it was the first issue of a license in over 5 years. That was the clue that only the rich and powerful could get a license.

http://www.alphadogweb.com/firearms/Diane_Feinstein.htm
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In fact, the City of Los Angeles did not issue a single permit for over six years with the exception of issuing one to a new police chief who was not yet certified in California.
So groups sued, and won, but it didn't make much difference.

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-06-...weapon-permits
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But in the nine months since the settlement was announced, only five permits have been issued from the first 200 applications.

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Four new permits went to attorneys: a county prosecutor, an assistant city attorney and two private lawyers. The fifth went to a city fire captain. Two applications have been approved but the permits have not yet been issued.
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Old Apr 04, 2012, 02:48 PM
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It sounds like you need to remind your politicians who they work for, we do quite often.

Its a easy job getting a shotgun licence in the UK, you fill in the form, get someone who has known you for a couple of years to co-sign it, send it to the police, they check your record, if that comes up OK, they check you have a secure gun cabinet and then they issue you your licence.
Oh if you are under 17 you have to get your parents to sign your application.
If you have a history of mental illness or crime then you will be turned down.

A firearms licence is a bit more difficult, but plenty do get them, join a gun club or become a game keeper, that will help.
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Old Apr 04, 2012, 02:53 PM
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A firearms licence is a bit more difficult, but plenty do get them, join a gun club or become a game keeper, that will help.
I really doubt that, else your Olympic pistol shooters would not have to practice in Ireland.
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Old Apr 04, 2012, 03:15 PM
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Gee. Putting identifying marks on cases would potentially cut down on KILLING PEOPLE ILLEGALLY. If you need to fire on someone, as an abiding citizen, you should be justified in your actions BEFORE you pull the trigger anyway.

A law abiding citizen should only be discharging their firearms for self-defense purposes, the microstamping of the case would not in any way interfere with that. What it WOULD interfere with would be one's ability to 'take care of problems' outside the law.

Of course, if it's only the case being stamped, which I assume you buy a pre-made lot of it and you have to provide a valid ID and they take your information; all one has to do to murder someone without leaving evidence is to use a revolver.

That or pick up your brass.

Plus, from the 'Free market™' point of view, reloaders could make quite handsome profits manufacturing sanitized ammo for the mob, gangs, etc.
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