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Old Apr 03, 2012, 12:19 PM
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I too chose to forgo the clubs. When I lived in California I visited two AMA flying clubs. To say that they were openly hostile would be an understatement, especially regarding electrics. As for the insurance, the AMA policy only covers liability in excess of your homeowners and umbrella insurance. In my case the odds of causing damage in excess of $2.5 million with a 20 oz foamie are nil.
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Old Apr 03, 2012, 12:23 PM
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I am considering recruiting some folks to come up with our own fuel-free type club. I would like one with solar powered charging, irrigated grass strip for belly-landing, a youth-outreach program and no cranky jerks to ruin it.
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I wouldn't consider nitro to be dead but the electrics have come so far with power and flight times that nitro will likely fade out with the old timers. I've played with nitro stuff long ago and have no desire to go back to it. An outreach program and solar charge station is a great idea. Space requirements and noise abatement won't be as big an issue with what you suggest. You might even get the city to back you with a place and some funding? These days, that's a tall order but might be worth asking them. You could stick to the Park Flyer AMA requirements, keeping the cost down and risk low with planes under 2 pounds too.
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Old Apr 03, 2012, 04:10 PM
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I am considering recruiting some folks to come up with our own fuel-free type club. I would like one with solar powered charging, irrigated grass strip for belly-landing, a youth-outreach program and no cranky jerks to ruin it.
HEY NWGA Fuel Free Foam Fliers

I would probably join a club like that if there was one around here.

I have been in and out this hobby since I was 13 and I am now fifty
so I remember when electric flight was just a thought.
but there was still the old @$&0les who wanted to make their presence known by shoving their ideology down all the other club members throats
and want to make everything that proceeds out of their mouth club law and gets mad and throws tantrums when it dont get done their way, those guys are the ones who keep me away from R/C clubs.

Kind of like those so called judgmental "Christians" who imposes their flawed thinking of a pharisee...
if your Holy Bible aint a skofield KJV version you are going to burn in hell for all eternity boy!
you know the ones whos stuff is always better than what you have and always know more than you do about everything even when they have no freaking clue what they are talking about you know, those guys; they are the ones who Irritate me enough to keep me away from any AMA field
the best example I could come up with on the spur of the moment.

climbing off the soap box now
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Old Apr 03, 2012, 05:08 PM
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RC club no thanks

I just want to say that ama and park flyer insurance does not cover anything unless you are flying at a ama sanctioned field or a sanctioned park we have about 20 city parks where I live none of them allow rc flying we have one state park with a nice blacktop runway better than the rc club I belong to, also your home owners or renters insurance will not cover you unless you have the land owners written permission, I fly some of my electric foamies by my house in a open drainage area but I am not covered by any insurance so I take my chanches
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Old Apr 04, 2012, 12:43 AM
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Flying sites are dissapearing at a staggering rate due to housing, noise complaints, and uninformed people who think its dangerous.

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Depends on what you're flying and what you consider a flying site. I would say that flying sites are opening up exponentially due to micro equipment. When I was learning in the early 90's, the nearest club was an hour's drive away. Today, I can fly micro helis in the house. I've flown Air Hogs in the garage. I've flown 3D, F3P, Slow Stick, and helis in the yard. In the 90's I had access to one flying site, in 2012 I've got like 10 without having to get in the car. I've got four indoors.

I kinda want to join a club and fly bigger planes again, but more driving means less flying. If I can step outside the door and fly 3D, the urge is satisfied. I can get it done and move on to other things before I'd reach the club field.

I don't believe a small foamie operated by an adult is significantly more dangerous than some of the bigger Air Hogs flown by a kid. You could fly into someone, but you could also ride into them with a bike or hit a baseball into their head, etc etc. As long as it's a small plane and you don't try doing aerobatics over a crowd the risks aren't very high. Is a guy flying a 30" ws F3P plane going to kill or signifcantly injure someone? Well, they say a tornado can drive a straw through a tree but you sure don't see it happen every day. I wouldn't worry about it.
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Old Apr 10, 2012, 02:48 AM
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I live in South Wales, UK.

I joined a local club fifty years and it was welcoming and members were generally enthusiastic about the new, taking on helicopters and electrics with great enthusiasm in the early and mid 1970s.

Over the years I have gone off because of jobs, to other parts of the world, or simply gone slope soaring. Every ten years or so I rejoined the club. It has become increasingly unwelcoming. AND they still fly the same nitro 40 powered balsa and ply fixed gear touring planes, for the most part.

Most of the people who developed the sport in the club and who gave it excitement back in the early days have moved on. The guys who never achieved much and could always see twenty reasons why something wont work, they remain, still struggling. Some enthusiasts remain, it's true, but the - stand there not here - attitude is strong. It's not a happy place to be.

And the quality of flying, preparation and engineering is not high. Some club members presume that quality is improved by being advised by old hands, but what I see often is a collective lowering of standards on the basis that if he got away with it so shall I. All too often I hear planes at full throttle for take off, full throttle for the whole flight, and dead stick for landing. It's not good.

Fortunately, the hobby has moved on.

Quiet flight has made it possible to fly much closer to home, in the field at the bottom of my garden. It's bigger than the club field, and more remote from roads, people and buildings. I can fly helicopters in my garden when once it would have been too noisy and dangerous.

I also fly at one or other of our many slopes, taking a van load of gliders and a TwinJet or two if the wind is missing.

It's nonsense to suggest that you cannot learn to fly without a club. How do you suppose the pioneers managed? It's also nonsense to say that you need a national body to provide insurance. Insurance is readily available from specialist companies. Just ask a broker.

My insurance is significantly better than the basic third party cover available via a club. I have twice the third party cover, plus I have insurance to cover injury to myself and the family members. I also have comprehensive cover for theft of my equipment from my van or shed. It costs 20% below club membership, and I speak directly to the insurance company to confirm or vary cover instead of having lots of intermediaries to get past. That's another thing: I can vary the cover, for example if I buy more equipment or planes.

Thinking it through, and puzzling the motivation of people at these unsociable clubs, I have come up with two ideas. Firstly they want to keep things exclusive, partly the result of having to share frequencies, perhaps. Secondly, they want to run a miniature airport, with all the air traffic controllers and uniforms, a bit like the railways modelers who are more interested in the timetables than the trains.

Each to his own.

Other options are available. I visit Paul Heckles from time to time. He runs a very friendly school where it is possible to be taught by a real expert how to fly anything from a simple trainer to a helicopter or turbine. It's concentrated and exhausting, but so rewarding. It costs, but far less than a club membership plus the aircraft that you would get through learning slowly at a club.
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Old Apr 10, 2012, 08:31 PM
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This has become a very informative thread. It's also interesting that it isn't just the USA clubs are like this. Maybe some of those "old school" types at the clubs will read this and take some notes for their own fields and change things a bit. With all the new micros and 2.4 radio gear the game is changing for the better. If a park won't have have us, there is usually a school ground or large parking lot that can work with electrics. With the price of fuel, the internal combustion powered planes could be doomed eventually anyway....
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Old Apr 11, 2012, 04:46 PM
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Something else to add about insurance. If you do have homeowners or even renters insurance, you should check with your agent on it's coverages.

When your hangar grows, and yes it will grow, you need to know what you have dollar wise in it. Most policies only cover a small amount of personal property damage, in case of a catastrophe at home. I checked on ours and it was something like $2500.00.

Cripes I got more then that in one bird now. And I have multiples of such. Our policy has had a rider added to cover em. And make sure you have a list of what you have and what it cost. Otherwise you are up to the insurance company to decide how much you get.


p.s. keep any records in a lock box. All you need is for the wife to find it and she will be collecting on your life insurance.
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Old Apr 11, 2012, 05:01 PM
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...This has become a very informative thread. It's also interesting that it isn't just the USA clubs are like this....(shortened)
Very interesting, yes. When I started it, I hadn't really expected my experienced to be echoed like that, but maybe the psycology behind it is the same all over. Quite comforting

I wondered in which thread to post, but since a lot of us now start out in foamies (and never outgrow them) it seems to have been a reasonable choice. I do wonder, however, if some of the guys from the other sub forums take any notice of this?
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Old Apr 11, 2012, 06:56 PM
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p.s. keep any records in a lock box. All you need is for the wife to find it and she will be collecting on your life insurance.
Hahaha, now that's funny but so true... In my case, I just threaten to pull the credit card statements to compare just who spends how much money and it shuts my wife right up
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Old Apr 11, 2012, 07:03 PM
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I wondered in which thread to post, but since a lot of us now start out in foamies (and never outgrow them) it seems to have been a reasonable choice. I do wonder, however, if some of the guys from the other sub forums take any notice of this?
well I usually post in the scratch built section and seldom venture over here in the kits forum so the answer to your question would be yes
however some of the purists would not think of wondering over in any of the foamies sub forums or even in the electric powered forums either because of their attitudes.

I started out some 37 or so years ago when there was no such thing as a RTF or ARF if you wanted to fly R/C you either built with balsa or commissioned one of the clubs builders to build it for you and everything was glow powered.
after a long hiatus when I crashed an expensive scratch build I saw a foam P-51 at harbor freight tools which sparked my interest back to the hobby so I purchased one and an AMA card so I could fly at the local AMA fields there is where I experienced the piss poor attitudes of the pharisees of the hobby that is when I made a vow to never step foot on that field again and never renew my AMA card.

since that time I have had several years of enjoyment building and flying scratch built foamies by my self with none of the hassles of air traffic and some old non flying fart telling me how far superior their balsa planes are to my foamies
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Old Apr 11, 2012, 08:01 PM
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I am with Rogue Titan. I have been around model airplanes all my life, I have been in so many clubs that I cant remember them all. I have joined and rejoined the AMA quite a few times too. My first RC Nitro powered plane was a Goldberg, Senior Falcon with a K&B.61 that I hopped up my self silkspanned and silked covered with dope. I am an old crusty fart now, but, I welcome all this new wonderfull technolgy with open arms. I am now enjoying the Hobby better than ever (without club politics or the AMA). These new Ultra Micro foamies are absolutely fantastic! When I see or hear about people in clubs doing their BS politics I just shake my head. Too bad too, because I feel they are the ones trying to stop progress in this wonderfull Hobby with the younger people. Make's me so upset, I think I'll have a bowl of ice cream and go fly my UM Fokker.
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Old Apr 11, 2012, 09:42 PM
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Might be I am lucky. I am a member of a good solid club. Mostly us old guys, about 30-40% electric, we all get along just fine. I am a 2nd year member and was welcomed, not shunned.
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Old Apr 16, 2012, 01:01 PM
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Yesterday I visited another club, this one a pure electric, to see if I would have more luck. And the members sure enough seemed more friendly and more my cup of tea.

Since I was out for a bit of flying as well, I had brought my MPX MiniMag, and asked if they had any rules for guest pilots. The answer was: "Yes, you are welcome to fly as a guest, as long as there is a member of the board present to guide you, and provided you have a union membership"

Well there goes that club membership as well.

The Danish union have rules laid out - in accordance with the domestic "FAA" - for large models (7kgs =15lbs and up), and provides insurance for their members. The Union membership alone is $125 per year, and I not really prepared to fork out that much money for a membership designed for some something very different than the 300-800gr models, I fly.

So, I'll just keep flying for myself in fields, coastlines and where ever I can find vacant spot. And actually the variation appeals to me
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Old Nov 13, 2012, 05:02 AM
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Flying Sites

I live in a densely populated country, but I'm lucky to have several flying fields close at hand. Often they are a surprise find after many decades living here. I've just started flying on a coastal cliff that is perfect for me, and yet I've not used it before this year.

There is also a ridge of hills a few miles away that has numerous isolated hilltops that allow safe and easy flying, and access. I've just discovered it!

Even with the larger numbers of people flying these days I am rarely able to spot anyone else. But there might be several people flying just over the ridge or the other side of the valley.

Thats the difference that 2.4ghz systems has made. When we had a one in ten chance of being on the same frequency as another flier, we had to gather together to monitor each other, and take turns.

But now there is practically no chance of interference, we have the great luxury of being able to set up where we can find space, and not worry about being shot-down, or causing somebody else to crash.
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