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Old Mar 06, 2012, 12:46 PM
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The smooth Flying video was great! I really like the "aggressive while passive" comment.

Could you do a video on the maneuver you do when you say "I'm going to do a turn around right here, but don't do that". I would love to learn that turn around...
that was a poptop that didn't have a lot of energy....
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Old Mar 06, 2012, 01:59 PM
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my guess is aileron input.. Edge's can wind up a KE spin with no aileron input, where as many planes depending on how you enter the KE spin will need ailerons to help them stay in... try adding some (1/3rd to a 1/2) aileron input the same direction as your rudder (left aileron, left rudder)... will prolly find it will stay in a little longer, from there you can adjust to see what your airframe and method of entry is looking for.

(I say the method of entry, as if I enter from my snap entries I'll need more aileron then if I wound up the roll in a nose down line before entring the KE spin)
I was having a lot of troubles with my KE spins not long ago and found that Ailerons were the biggest thing keeping me from entering them. I kept playing with Aileron input until i found each planes sweet spot. weird thing is that almost all my planes required opposite aileron than the rudder i was using. Left rudder, full down elevator, and 1/4 to 1/3 right aileron. this held true for the 48, 58, and 71. the 74 needs almost no aileron.
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Old Mar 06, 2012, 02:03 PM
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I second the knife edge spin request...
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Old Mar 06, 2012, 02:50 PM
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Wow...is being very helpful. Thanks!
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Old Mar 06, 2012, 02:55 PM
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Just found this thread. Awesome! Well presented and produced, particularly the "smooth flying" segment. Reminds me of how excited I was when I first viewed the Bonedoc videos, which I still go to on a regular basis. Need all the help I can get!

Keep it up Wamsey
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Old Mar 06, 2012, 03:09 PM
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Great job! BoneDoc's vids are invaluable, but I think the more tutorials, with different people explaining different things in different ways is always a great thing. So in that regards, its great to see some more tutorials coming.
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Old Mar 06, 2012, 03:44 PM
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I enter a KE spin either from a vertical clime and then nose over and then down ele - add full rudder without power and a little aileron until I get the shape of the KE spin then add thrust.....However I have learned how to enter this from a KE loop which is something I have been working on


However having an EF 48 edge I guess is cheating as this thing is sublime at KE spins
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Old Mar 06, 2012, 05:08 PM
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The smooth Flying video was great! I really like the "aggressive while passive" comment.

Could you do a video on the maneuver you do when you say "I'm going to do a turn around right here, but don't do that". I would love to learn that turn around...
Its exactly as theKM said, its just a low energy poptop.

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On the Weeble Wobble maneuver it looks like you are doing a rolling harrier on a down line with a S pattern thrown in.

I have seen something called a Weeble Wobble that is more of a straight down line with somewhat more violent rolling harrier. Are these both versions of the same thing? If so can you do a vid showing the other style?
KM answered that perfect, they are very close. Its just how you want to present it.

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Wamsy - can you post a KE spin? I can get one model to do it easily (EF 48 Edge EXP), but other models seem to have a harder time.
My only major gripe about the Sim I am using the the physics during a Tumble. This means that the planes do not like to KE spin, and you have to set them up to do so. But when you set them up to do a KE spin it really makes other areas suffer. I can and will try though.

All airplanes are different. Some take a lot of rudder input and some almost do KE spins without it. Not to mention the aileron inputs are always different. I fly mostly 3DHS Slicks, and they tend to need less rudder than most airplanes. So play around with it and you should find the sweet spot. Technically the KE spin inputs can look very different depending on airplane.

Also the way I enter KE Spins are normally through a hammerhead, some guys start the airplane in a tumble first. The more practice the easier it will be to get the instant KE spin, and less tumbling before the spin.

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Subscribed, awesome video Wamsy
Just curious what if you have tried RF6, as want I currently have ? But After seeing your vids in Phoenix it makes me want it too.
What plane are you flying in your vids & does it come stock with Phoenix 3 ?

Keep it up
IMO:

I have very little time on RF6, from that time though I can say its a very good sim. Now to compare both sims I would say this.

RF6 has very good 3D airplane physics, I find the smaller 3D stuff to fly poorly though. For Helis it is ok. You have a much bigger selection in airplanes also.

Phoenix also has good 3d airplane physics, but I find the smaller stuff to fly to be better. It dominates when it comes to helis.

If you have RF6 and are really only interested in 3D then there is no reason to get Phoenix.

My airplane I use in my videos is on Phoenix, and I have made a variant of it thats downloadable so others can use it. I think it flies pretty darn good.

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Glad to see people are enjoying this thread.
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Old Mar 06, 2012, 05:57 PM
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Finally!!! I'm getting the weeble wobble! THANKS Wamsy!!!
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Old Mar 06, 2012, 06:19 PM
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Nice work Wamsy! Great resource for the community!
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Old Mar 06, 2012, 11:11 PM
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Nice work Wamsy! Great resource for the community!
Thanks!

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Also if anyone has any ideas for videos like the one I did about smoothing out your flying let me know. I have a couple ideas, but I am always open for new ones.
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Old Mar 06, 2012, 11:13 PM
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Thanks!

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Also if anyone has any ideas for videos like the one I did about smoothing out your flying let me know. I have a couple ideas, but I am always open for new ones.
Still waiting for the plank420
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Old Mar 07, 2012, 12:11 AM
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Thanks!

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Also if anyone has any ideas for videos like the one I did about smoothing out your flying let me know. I have a couple ideas, but I am always open for new ones.
great work, wamsy.

I'd love to see one on snaps .
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Old Mar 07, 2012, 07:53 AM
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Can you develop a reccomended order in which you learn maneuvers? I know everybody takes their own route, but it would be helpful to list what comes first in your opinion.
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Old Mar 07, 2012, 07:57 AM
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Outstanding Wamsy a great benefit for the 3D community.
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