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Old Mar 04, 2012, 05:47 PM
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upgrading an old thunder tiger sparky 400 to a brushless setup

when i was about 14 i bought an ARF sparky 400 kit and built it, it took me a long time to get the courage to go and try to fly it and when i did it did a nose dive then the motor wouldn't start, so i just hung it in my room and left it, years later I now have several little planes that I fly and i went and found the dusty old guy in my parents basement, I quickly diagnosed and repaired the problems and charged its old NiMh batter and took it to really fly it for the first time, the motor could barely get it off the ground and it only flew for about 30 seconds before the battery died, still i was surprised it few after all that time.

Now my Question is this, I want to upgrade the plane to an new brushless setup, so as far as i know ill have to replace the motor of course, and the esc, i also already threw in a spektrum receiver i just need some help deciding which ones to use, im still not too good and getting that all right. based on my little knowledge of motors and escs, the size of the area where the motor will have to be mounted and the types of batteries i already have i've decided on this setup, let me know if this would work, also sorry for making a new post if one already existed, but RCgroups search wasn't working.

these are the batteries i already have and use for several other planes, so if at ill possible id like to stick with them.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...dProduct=16771

I plan to use this motor without a gearbox

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...er_2600kv.html

and im planning on getting this esc to go with it
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...arehouse_.html

would that be a good setup? the way the plane is set up i really need to stick with an inrunner, but i still fear that that motor is going to be a bit overkill for a parkflyer 3ch plane, also which props would you guys recommend?
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Old Mar 05, 2012, 01:52 PM
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bump? anybody got an opinion on these?
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Old Mar 05, 2012, 03:38 PM
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I'd say that 2600kv is too much for this plane even with a prop the right size. I just don't see it holding up to that.

I'd get the 1370kv version and swing a bigger prop.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...er_1370kv.html

Or maybe the 1500kv version if the prop clearance won't work with the 1370kv.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...er_1500kv.html
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Old Mar 06, 2012, 12:42 AM
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thanks for the input, i thought that motor would be a bit quick for the plane, it's got some pretty big landing gear on is so prop clearance shouldn't be a problem, but as far as esc and battery go, i'd need to get a beefier esc for that motor, which would you recommend? i seem to have a hard time finding in product description which ones have a bec or not, and i don't want to do a second battery for the rx. would this one work?
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ontroller.html

what about this one? does it have a bec?
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...k_70A_ESC.html

they both have some form of bec, but it's always got some prefix, like ubec, or sbec, i just wanna be sure
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Old Mar 06, 2012, 10:14 AM
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You could keep the original ESC you had on 3s and be fine or prop down on 4s until you were under the rated Amps. BUT that being said, any of those motors are going to make that plane scream and will probably rip the wings right off.

Both the ESCs you have listed above have internal BECs. I personally prefer to get an external one, in case the ESC frys I can still control the plane.

I would avoid the red brick ESC, I have not heard good things about them.

I like these ESCs, they are made by Hobbywing and are excellent quality. You can get them with or without internal bec (without is listed as OPTO).
http://www.hobbypartz.com/proton.html

or get the Hobbywing.
http://www.hobbypartz.com/platinum.html

I like these external BECs from HK but are currently out of stock.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...for_Lipo_.html

And these ones are Hobbywings repackaged as Exceed and are fantastic and in the USA.
http://www.hobbypartz.com/ub2liin.html
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Old Mar 07, 2012, 08:53 PM
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after looking around i think ill just try to modify the plane to use an outrunner, they seem to be more in the power range i want, as for mounting it do i need a special motor mount? or just fit some balsa in there and mount it to that
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Old Mar 08, 2012, 06:02 AM
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An outrunner would make sense - a slow flier like this would probably be better with a 1000-1200kv motor (if you're using a 3s battery). 1500Kv is for sport models (IMHO)

Most HK motors come with a mount, but you'd need to glue in a plywood or liteply firewall. If you use balsa, laminate a couple of layers at 90 degrees to prevent it splitting.

If you pick an outrunner of similar weight to the speed400, it'll be a lot more powerful, probably too powerful for the model. If there's scope to move the battery forward you could save quite a lot of weight by picking a lighter motor.

Something like this would have about twice the output power and be half the weight of a speed 400

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...Outrunner.html


Why are you looking at 70amp ESCs? Even the burst rating on your battery is only about 30amps - and the speed400 would have used about 10amps at full power.

Most of the ESCs under 40amps have a BEC, and with only two servos you'll be fine with a linear 1amp BEC (the better ESCs have a 3amp switching BEC, which you need for 4 servo planes)

This one should do you for $6 (some of the Super Simple ESCs have poor reviews, this one seems OK) Or you could pay a bit more for the better quality Turnigy one. I tend to order both when they are this cheap and if the cheap one doesn't work I've not lost much (and they usually work fine)

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...5_30A_ESC.html
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Old Mar 10, 2012, 04:11 AM
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thanks for the input, ya, im still trying exactly to figure out how to choose motors and such, i found a pretty good package deal on heads up RC that i think will work well for this plane

http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...tor-1.9/Detail

not the cheapest on the internet, but I've heard a lot of good things about this website, and I wont have to deal with HK shipping, stock issues, and customer support.
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Old Mar 10, 2012, 04:46 AM
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That should work nicely, and will cope with more power than your battery can supply.
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Old Mar 14, 2012, 05:23 PM
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well, I'm heading out to maiden her right now, wish me luck, ill let everyone know how it went.
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Old Mar 16, 2012, 04:29 AM
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flew great!, had way to much up elevator so i had to trim the crap out of it to get stable flight, but that was on purpose, better to have too much up than too much down. the motor was a little more power than the plane needs, and I can flip loops with it pretty easy, but still it flies it well without ripping the wings off. it was nice to see the thin finally fly after so many years. thanks for everyone's input
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Old Mar 16, 2012, 04:41 AM
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Excellent result, well done!

You may find you need more downthrust to prevent it climbing too much when you open the throttle, but the exact amount is down to personal preference.
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