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Old Mar 03, 2012, 04:43 PM
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Froggy's Obama Birth Certificate review (with sample of own)

Ok folks here we go:

Upon finding my short-form Birth Certificate, I noticed that it's published on the same paper as President Obama's. So I figured why not try a little experiment to see what's what.

First, I pulled the published copy of Obama's (long-form) Certificate from the following site: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...-long-form.pdf

The published PDF is devoid of any links or layers.

I zoomed in to scrutinize the text and it is provided as (A) Sample 1 below.

I then scanned my own Birth Certificate first at 300dpi, and then at 600 so as to generate better detail. It was scanned as both a .PDF and .PNG photo.


Findings:

First, most, except for a few characters on the Published Obama long-form display 'halos' or areas around most text in which typical scanning noise dissapears. Second, most of the text display's hard-edges, with no dithering noise commonly seen in simple scanned documents. Without a doubt, the document has been 'washed' or retouched with some sort of OCR or editing software. Period.

Second. In my high-resolution 600dpi scan of my own certificate (B) Sample 2; constant noise is apparent throughout the document. The two documents couldn't be more different.


Conclusion:

In some (as yet undefined) way, the released .PDF of the Obama long form is obviously at least a digitally retouched document. Small portions of the document retain original text and/or characters. Why this is is up for debate.

Personal Opinion:

Since the Obama long form contains at least some original traits and characters of a scanned document, it was at least, at some time based on a real piece of paper. Personally, I think it's a great bit of politics. Knowing that the opposition will go after any flaw in his story, Obama authorized the release of a highly washed document as a political dog-bone. He has the real one and it exists; however by letting this washed document out into the public, the opposition takes the bait and makes themselves look foolish in the public eye. In the words of Admiral Ackbar; "It's a Trap!"

Around election time, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that he'll release an original, untouched, high resolution scan as the final parting shot. If this is the case, it's masterful politics; clever and nasty, but brilliant nonetheless.


If this is NOT the case, then his released Long-Form Birth Certificate is the worst forgery of all time.
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Old Mar 03, 2012, 07:54 PM
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Ok folks here we go:

Upon finding my short-form Birth Certificate, I noticed that it's published on the same paper as President Obama's. So I figured why not try a little experiment to see what's what.

First, I pulled the published copy of Obama's (long-form) Certificate from the following site: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...-long-form.pdf

The published PDF is devoid of any links or layers.

I zoomed in to scrutinize the text and it is provided as (A) Sample 1 below.

I then scanned my own Birth Certificate first at 300dpi, and then at 600 so as to generate better detail. It was scanned as both a .PDF and .PNG photo.


Findings:

First, most, except for a few characters on the Published Obama long-form display 'halos' or areas around most text in which typical scanning noise dissapears. Second, most of the text display's hard-edges, with no dithering noise commonly seen in simple scanned documents. Without a doubt, the document has been 'washed' or retouched with some sort of OCR or editing software. Period.

Second. In my high-resolution 600dpi scan of my own certificate (B) Sample 2; constant noise is apparent throughout the document. The two documents couldn't be more different.


Conclusion:

In some (as yet undefined) way, the released .PDF of the Obama long form is obviously at least a digitally retouched document. Small portions of the document retain original text and/or characters. Why this is is up for debate.

Personal Opinion:

Since the Obama long form contains at least some original traits and characters of a scanned document, it was at least, at some time based on a real piece of paper. Personally, I think it's a great bit of politics. Knowing that the opposition will go after any flaw in his story, Obama authorized the release of a highly washed document as a political dog-bone. He has the real one and it exists; however by letting this washed document out into the public, the opposition takes the bait and makes themselves look foolish in the public eye. In the words of Admiral Ackbar; "It's a Trap!"

Around election time, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that he'll release an original, untouched, high resolution scan as the final parting shot. If this is the case, it's masterful politics; clever and nasty, but brilliant nonetheless.


If this is NOT the case, then his released Long-Form Birth Certificate is the worst forgery of all time.
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Froggy, how can you have so much faith that obama has a real usa birth certificate when by your own proof he provided a fake and has purgered himself to us?
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Froggy, how can you have so much faith that obama has a real usa birth certificate when by your own proof he provided a fake and has purgered himself to us?
I think it's intentionally washed / altered to fuel exactly what's happening.

Otherwise, it's the worst forgery ever. The President of the United States has the resources at his disposal to make a perfect 'fake' if necessary.
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Old Mar 03, 2012, 10:13 PM
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The published PDF is devoid of any links or layers.
Wrong!

There are actually two layers in the picture you see:- a monochrome image (mostly text), overlaid onto a color background image. This was probably done simply to enhance text visibility, and may be an automatic feature of the software that was used to create the pdf.

If you look closely at the background image you can see that a few bits didn't get transferred to the overlay, and the original text has not been completely erased (for any conspiracy theorists out there:- it's the same text, nothing's been changed. Someone else's name has not been blanked out so that 'BARAK OBAMA' could be typed over it!).
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Old Mar 03, 2012, 10:57 PM
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I think it's intentionally washed / altered to fuel exactly what's happening.

Otherwise, it's the worst forgery ever. The President of the United States has the resources at his disposal to make a perfect 'fake' if necessary.
Ok let me ask another way. Why do you have so much faith this liar has a rel usa birth certificate when your own proof shows he lied to you and discraced the office of the presidency?
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Ok let me ask another way. Why do you have so much faith this liar has a rel usa birth certificate when your own proof shows he lied to you and discraced the office of the presidency?
Because if he didnt have a valid birth certificate, his camp could of created one from scratch and presented a direct digital scan. One doesn't become President by being stupid. And Obama certainly isn't stupid enough to NOT have a perfect paper birth certificate.

All I know is that the .pdf hosted by whitehouse.gov is a piece of digital junk. For what reason is it so crappy? I honestly don't know. But in the end, if that's what they want to show the world, there's a reason for it.
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And Obama certainly isn't stupid enough to NOT have a perfect paper birth certificate.
But he was "stupid" enough to think that a DVD movie set was the cool thing to give Gordon Brown.
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But he was "stupid" enough to think that a DVD movie set was the cool thing to give Gordon Brown.
Eh, you're right there.
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Because if he didnt have a valid birth certificate, his camp could of created one from scratch and presented a direct digital scan. One doesn't become President by being stupid. And Obama certainly isn't stupid enough to NOT have a perfect paper birth certificate.

All I know is that the .pdf hosted by whitehouse.gov is a piece of digital junk. For what reason is it so crappy? I honestly don't know. But in the end, if that's what they want to show the world, there's a reason for it.
No, in his case he became President because the majority of the electorate was stupid.
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No, in his case he became President because the majority of the electorate was stupid.
He became president because the majority of the electorate was desparate for change.

The artifacts present in the copy could be a result of the scan method or hardware.
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Because if he didnt have a valid birth certificate, his camp could of created one from scratch and presented a direct digital scan.
Pointless. The only irrefutable evidence would be the original certificate, analyzed by carbon dating and gas chromatography to prove its authenticity.

The published pdf is a new electronic document, combining (a copy of) the original certificate with a declaration of authenticity. Nobody is denying that, so there is no need need for (nor is it possible to produce) a 'direct digital scan' of the pdf. The declaration is dated April 25 2011, same time as the pdf document was produced. There is no 'physical' (non-computer generated) master copy to be scanned!

The validity of this document cannot be ascertained by examining the document itself, but only from the fact that the Hawaii State Registrar acknowledges that it is valid. Cue conspiracy theory in 3,2,1...
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He became president because the majority of the electorate was desparate for change.

The artifacts present in the copy could be a result of the scan method or hardware.
He became president because the majority of the electorate had their heads firmly ensconced in their posterior and got caught up in a cult of personality.
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He became president because the majority of the electorate was desparate for change.

The artifacts present in the copy could be a result of the scan method or hardware.
It's 'enhanced' in some way. Perhaps they washed it through OCR to make it 'more legible.' Either way, the .pdf as presented isn't from a direct scan. Maybe 3-4 steps/processes after initial scanning.
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