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Old Oct 16, 2003, 05:07 PM
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3-D Choice - Tantrum or G-480 Groove?

I am christmas shopping (with list) and need some help deciding on a Tantrum or Grove-480.

I have a Hangover which I really enjoy but am looking for FULL
3-D bird.

I like that the Grove is larger, however I would be able to use my existing E-tec 3s lipolys with the Tantrum.

I also have a new Razor 2500 that would go nicley in the Tantrum.

Which one is a better performer? Will they both do a full range of 3-D manuvers?

No, I cannot get both. Nice thought though
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Old Oct 16, 2003, 05:35 PM
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Cubby,
If what you are looking for is a 3D only bird then the Tantrum would be the way to go. The Groove is capable of 3D maneuvers at a lower wing loading but will also fly very precise pattern/IMAC maneuvers. The Groove is not however a "true" 3D plane in the sense that the Tantrum is. The Groove is a very solid IMAC style plane that will 3D in the the hands of a good pilot (much like the 33% and larger IMAC planes).

FWIW whatever you decide the batteries and motor you have are very compatible with both planes as the Groove is designed around the Hacker b20/ Razor 2500 series motor. The batteries would have to be 3s2p to handle those amps.

and... yes I have both planes .

Scott
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Old Oct 16, 2003, 05:44 PM
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Thanks!

That was just the advice that I needed!
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Old Oct 16, 2003, 06:06 PM
40%, 5% whats the diff?
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I fly 35% planes :-D. I love doing tailtouches knifedge spins, blenders (real BLENDERS). Would the groove do lomcevaks? Also what is the site for the groove! Basically what I'm trying to say is would this perform like a giantscale aerobat?
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Old Oct 16, 2003, 06:18 PM
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sukhoi26mx:

What is your setup in your Tantrum?

I have a Hangover with a Razor 400, pheonix 10, 5.33:1 Gearbox turning a 10 x 8 prop on Etec 3s 1200.

This has PLENTY of vertical.

I figure that my new Razor 2500, 6:1 gearing turning a 12 x 8 prop would work well in the Tantrum using my existing Etecs.
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Old Oct 16, 2003, 06:22 PM
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They got a great video on their website

http://www.stevensaero.com/gride480.html
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Old Oct 16, 2003, 06:34 PM
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Cubby,
Your Hangover setup would be perfect for the Tantrum. The lower wing loading is ideal. The Razor 2500 is a 20 amp motor and the Etec 1200's 3s are good to about 10-12 in burst. You'd 3s2p for the 2500.

TeamSME,
I think the Groove is the closest thing to the bigger planes that you'll find in the Parkflyer range of planes. The site is www.stevensaero.com Take a look around at it... he's got some VERY cool stuff

Scott
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Old Oct 16, 2003, 08:12 PM
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sukhoi26mx:

I also have some 8 cell HEcell 1100 packs. Would those batteries put out enough amps for my 2500.

Thinking about a bluecor hover machine.
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Old Oct 16, 2003, 08:17 PM
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Cubby,
Those batts are fine for the 2500. How is it geared? maxon 4.4:1?
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Old Oct 16, 2003, 09:00 PM
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Its not the 2500a, just the ungeared 2500.

I plan on a GWS 6:1 with 12 x 8 prop.
I don't want to put all that weight in the Tantrum though. Will probably look for a Razor 400 so that I can use the same setup that is in my Hangover.
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Old Oct 17, 2003, 08:04 AM
40%, 5% whats the diff?
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This groove looks even more enticing. I am just a little weary from getting ripped of by dave thacker. He's a good guy but the radical rc edge doesnt 3d it just floats. Coming from an experienced pilot that plane is just horrible!!! I lost 600 dollars into that plane and I don't want a plane that will fly like poo.
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Old Oct 17, 2003, 04:28 PM
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If i were you i would be looking at Todds new plane. It does all that eny would need to do or would want to try to do. Go to www.toddsmodels.com for more info.
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Old Oct 17, 2003, 04:43 PM
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Looks like he has a winner!

I am not a big fan of profile planes though.
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Old Oct 18, 2003, 02:01 PM
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I will just say that this profile will make you think diff.
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Old Oct 18, 2003, 07:23 PM
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Cody-

If the attitude doesn't fly like you claim, I'm going to hunt you down..

What would be your PREFERED setup on this beast?
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