HobbyKing.com New Products Flash Sale
Reply
Thread Tools
Old Mar 02, 2013, 11:13 PM
Sir Crashalot
DarkWolf's Avatar
Murray, KY
Joined Mar 2007
224 Posts
Ok... So one of the only real complaints that I'd ever had with the F45 is that it's like flying in mud as far as control response goes.

For the paddle mod, you get better control response in exchange for poorer wind authority, yes?

I'd never had very good forward authority with mine. It takes full forward stick to get it moving, and even then, that's far slower than expected.

Any advice? I moved the servo horn to the end hole on the aileron servo, but still looking for a horn on the rear elevator servo. What brand horn is compatible with this?
DarkWolf is offline Find More Posts by DarkWolf
Reply With Quote
Sign up now
to remove ads between posts
Old Mar 03, 2013, 12:03 AM
Scotsman in Germany
tiggertoo1962's Avatar
Germany, BY, Schwabach
Joined Oct 2012
1,620 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by BThirsk View Post
I never did like the idea that you power up the heli first and then start the binding process.
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddb1 View Post
I agree that is strange. For years of flying planes the transmitter always came on first! Now my new Walker Master CP I have to plug in the heli first, then turn on the TX. I cringe everytime I do it.
Now that I've done the BL mod with the 3rd Gen PCB, and being a relative noob to all things RC, I'm quite happy at the thought that I can plug in the battery and then switch the TX on at a safe distance in case I forgot to disconnect the ESC power cable . Hasn't happened yet, but you never know the day... .

Off to dream of flying

G'night all
tiggertoo1962 is offline Find More Posts by tiggertoo1962
RCG Plus Member
Latest blog entry: FS TH9X/WL-T6 settings
Reply With Quote
Old Mar 03, 2013, 12:16 AM
Scotsman in Germany
tiggertoo1962's Avatar
Germany, BY, Schwabach
Joined Oct 2012
1,620 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grumpy Vet View Post
I'm still flying around w/ a superglued landing gear frame and bamboo skewers as the skids for the last couple weeks until I get my order in.

I replaced the broken piece that everyone re-inforces with a paperclip (which I did) and put everything back together - but it just doesn't seem to fly quite right. I'm wondering if I put it back together wrong. If I can save up a bit of money - I'm thinking of ordering another one. It would be interesting to compare and contrast.

I'm planning to order some of the better batteries too...all stock right now except for bending the dog bones, reinforcing the "whatever" with the paperclip, adding the shim to the blades and "rigging" the landing gear out of necessity.

I think the Brushless conversion would be cool - but I'm not that handy and I know it. Pity nobody is close to me that could help me do something like that or I could contract to switch it out for me. I'm self aware....I know limits - B/L conversion isn't in my wheelhouse.
Gives you an F645 with a "unique" angle Grumpy . Not everybody can claim the same and it shows you're thinking and improvising to stay in the air

Don't have time to check for you now, but couldn't you have a look around for an exploded diagram?

I know everybody says this, but if I could do it, so can you. I'm the original guy who doesn't know why the electricity doesn't fall out of the wall when you pull the plug, but I read a bunch, collated the info, bought the gear (turned out I did it the hard way for the new PCB, but cheaper than buying the Aliexpress kit if you want to save 30 bucks or so), asked for specific help when I wasn't sure, gave it a go and VOILA!! I got a BL F645 which I'm loving more as my own confidence grows . JUST DO IT!!!

Yes you can
Fin
tiggertoo1962 is offline Find More Posts by tiggertoo1962
RCG Plus Member
Latest blog entry: FS TH9X/WL-T6 settings
Reply With Quote
Old Mar 03, 2013, 12:31 AM
Scotsman in Germany
tiggertoo1962's Avatar
Germany, BY, Schwabach
Joined Oct 2012
1,620 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottheli View Post
Well guys, after all the waiting, my BL conversion w/LED's is complete. I would not have been able to get it right on the first go around with out all the knowledge on this thread. I have not been able to field fly her yet due to windy conditions. I ordered some 8 degree woodies to see how they work. The one thing I noticed after programming the ESC just like in the video is that the motor is at full throttle and the stick is at 3/4 or 75%. Is that normal. I thought end points programming would solve something like that. Anyways, I hope she flys as good as she looks, other than a nicer canopy. I took some pics to show placement of switches and esc and wiring. I do not have a battery alarm. I need suggestions on which is easy and works well. Is all of you guys BL motor loud? I was hoping for quieter so I could hear the blades, but it's the price you pay for power. As soon as I get to fly, I will report on the flight. With forward battery and a nut for nose weight, I am afraid it will not have any reverse authority to stop or slow her from FFF. Anyways, I thank you all for the help, and I promised some pics so I hope you guys like it. All comments welcome. Scottheli
Nice work Scott, really looks the part.

Your throttle should only be at 100% when you're around one notch from the top position. Maybe someone has better advice, but I would just try setting the range again. Make sure that at the appropriate times you push the stick all the way both ways. It's either that or your timing (#6) isn't set to high. As far as I remember the default setting is low.

If you don't mind the wait, they have a very usable battery alarm at Banggood for a good price. Just search "battery alarm" or "buzzer alarm" and you'll find something. I think one is probably just as good as the other, unless you want to spend funny money.

Cheers
Fin
tiggertoo1962 is offline Find More Posts by tiggertoo1962
RCG Plus Member
Latest blog entry: FS TH9X/WL-T6 settings
Reply With Quote
Old Mar 03, 2013, 12:32 AM
Manfred
Germany, NRW, Cologne
Joined Nov 2012
57 Posts
Good Morning

Good Morning Fin.

You have done your first outdoor flight?
The weather seams to be good for today.

Wish you much fun with your "new" F45.

Regards
Manfred
Mr.X11 is offline Find More Posts by Mr.X11
Reply With Quote
Old Mar 03, 2013, 05:04 AM
Brent 黑雁
BThirsk's Avatar
Canada, AB, Ponoka
Joined Jan 2012
1,756 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkWolf View Post
Ok... So one of the only real complaints that I'd ever had with the F45 is that it's like flying in mud as far as control response goes.

For the paddle mod, you get better control response in exchange for poorer wind authority, yes?

I'd never had very good forward authority with mine. It takes full forward stick to get it moving, and even then, that's far slower than expected.

Any advice? I moved the servo horn to the end hole on the aileron servo, but still looking for a horn on the rear elevator servo. What brand horn is compatible with this?
The paddle gives better response and better wind handling. I had mine out yesterday and it will go wherever you want it in the wind.
The only issue I still have is the tail gyro. At about 3 minutes, it went into the spin of death again when I leaned on it hard. Snow drift save it from damage.
The only thing you lose is stability. It is harder to fly than my CP helis, although I did forget to set the dual rates and was flying at 100%.
BThirsk is offline Find More Posts by BThirsk
Reply With Quote
Old Mar 03, 2013, 05:43 AM
Scotsman in Germany
tiggertoo1962's Avatar
Germany, BY, Schwabach
Joined Oct 2012
1,620 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.X11 View Post
Good Morning Fin.

You have done your first outdoor flight?
The weather seams to be good for today.

Wish you much fun with your "new" F45.

Regards
Manfred
Moin Manfred

Yup, I flew 3 batteries yesterday AT LAST!!

Thanks for all your help. I just woke up (nightshift) and am off to fly another few batteries before I do "sleep #2". Forecast looks good for the week, so looks like it's finally flyin' time

Greetz
Fin
tiggertoo1962 is offline Find More Posts by tiggertoo1962
RCG Plus Member
Latest blog entry: FS TH9X/WL-T6 settings
Reply With Quote
Old Mar 03, 2013, 05:45 AM
I'd rather be flying
baddb1's Avatar
United States, NY, Saratoga Springs
Joined Jan 2009
1,212 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottheli View Post
Well guys, after all the waiting, my BL conversion w/LED's is complete. I would not have been able to get it right on the first go around with out all the knowledge on this thread. I have not been able to field fly her yet due to windy conditions. I ordered some 8 degree woodies to see how they work. The one thing I noticed after programming the ESC just like in the video is that the motor is at full throttle and the stick is at 3/4 or 75%. Is that normal. I thought end points programming would solve something like that. Anyways, I hope she flys as good as she looks, other than a nicer canopy. I took some pics to show placement of switches and esc and wiring. I do not have a battery alarm. I need suggestions on which is easy and works well. Is all of you guys BL motor loud? I was hoping for quieter so I could hear the blades, but it's the price you pay for power. As soon as I get to fly, I will report on the flight. With forward battery and a nut for nose weight, I am afraid it will not have any reverse authority to stop or slow her from FFF. Anyways, I thank you all for the help, and I promised some pics so I hope you guys like it. All comments welcome. Scottheli
Looking really good Scott! I got a 2S battery alarm from HK that works very well.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbycity/s...idProduct=7224

I just soldered the 2 wires on the PCB where the main power comes in. You can also plug into the battery charging port but I didn't want to have to plug in the alarm every time. The good thing about this alarm is it has very bright LEDS that can be seen a long ways off. Green, battery is good. Green and red, warning battery getting low,, and then when it is solid red you better land quickly. The alarm is loud but is not always "false" beeping when I apply power to the heli like another monitor I tried!
BTW - I am using the honeybee blades on mine and they have a nice sound to them!! They do tame the F45 down a bit too but I found w/ the BL conversion , you still have loads of FF and power.
baddb1 is offline Find More Posts by baddb1
RCG Plus Member
Old Mar 03, 2013, 06:13 AM
Registered User
Joined Jan 2013
24 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiggertoo1962 View Post
I know everybody says this, but if I could do it, so can you. I'm the original guy who doesn't know why the electricity doesn't fall out of the wall when you pull the plug, but I read a bunch, collated the info, bought the gear (turned out I did it the hard way for the new PCB, but cheaper than buying the Aliexpress kit if you want to save 30 bucks or so), asked for specific help when I wasn't sure, gave it a go and VOILA!! I got a BL F645 which I'm loving more as my own confidence grows . JUST DO IT!!!

Yes you can
Fin
I appreciate your faith in me Fin. I'll have to go back through this thread and see if I can find a laundry list of the stuff I need. I remember seeing a piece here and a piece there. I don't recall seeing a complete turnkey list from HK. Maybe later today - I'll dig back through this and try to find everything I need, price it up and see if it is doable right now.

I'm still leery. I don't own a soldering gun/tip and I'm pretty non-handy. I just don't want to screw this thing up.

Charger Power Source:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...er_Supply.html
Charger:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...cessories.html
Upgraded Battery:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...iver_Pack.html
Brushless Motor:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...er_4100kv.html
ESC
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idProduct=2168
Pinion Gear:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s..._10T_1pc_.html
2.5MM Hex Screws:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...and_A2035.html

I'll pick up a soldering tip and solder locally.

What size heat shrink do I need?
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...shrink&x=0&y=0
What kind of connectors do I need for the wires? Like this?
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...dProduct=24424
Do I need a new PCB?
Do I need to put a swtich on the copter? Like this?
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...uctId=2062485#


Grumpy Vet is offline Find More Posts by Grumpy Vet
Last edited by Grumpy Vet; Mar 03, 2013 at 07:09 AM. Reason: updated - with shopping list
Reply With Quote
Old Mar 03, 2013, 06:41 AM
Brent 黑雁
BThirsk's Avatar
Canada, AB, Ponoka
Joined Jan 2012
1,756 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grumpy Vet View Post
I appreciate your faith in me Fin. I'll have to go back through this thread and see if I can find a laundry list of the stuff I need. I remember seeing a piece here and a piece there. I don't recall seeing a complete turnkey list from HK. Maybe later today - I'll dig back through this and try to find everything I need, price it up and see if it is doable right now.

I'm still leery. I don't own a soldering gun/tip and I'm pretty non-handy. I just don't want to screw this thing up.
Here is a list of parts for brushless conversion. The only thing missing is a small switch you can use to isolate the ESC.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1672097
BThirsk is offline Find More Posts by BThirsk
Reply With Quote
Old Mar 03, 2013, 07:27 AM
Wait, what?
Clipdin's Avatar
United States, VA, Hanover
Joined Feb 2013
35 Posts
How about this for a battery alarm?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RC-BATTERY-M...item2a29c10134

It's adjustable. Thoughts?
Clipdin is offline Find More Posts by Clipdin
Reply With Quote
Old Mar 03, 2013, 07:34 AM
I'd rather be flying
baddb1's Avatar
United States, NY, Saratoga Springs
Joined Jan 2009
1,212 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clipdin View Post
How about this for a battery alarm?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RC-BATTERY-M...item2a29c10134

It's adjustable. Thoughts?
I have something similar to that too. Nice because it has a louder noise with twin alarms, but like I said above, the one I have now has very bright LEDS that I can see very easily. You not going to be able to read the LED on this one unless your real close.
baddb1 is offline Find More Posts by baddb1
RCG Plus Member
Old Mar 03, 2013, 08:38 AM
Flying a Falcon or a RC Heli.
fauconnier's Avatar
Canada, QC, Rimouski
Joined Jul 2012
681 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by BThirsk View Post
The paddle gives better response and better wind handling. I had mine out yesterday and it will go wherever you want it in the wind.
The only issue I still have is the tail gyro. At about 3 minutes, it went into the spin of death again when I leaned on it hard. Snow drift save it from damage.
The only thing you lose is stability. It is harder to fly than my CP helis, although I did forget to set the dual rates and was flying at 100%.
I am quite sure your Gyro is affected by cold because you have a weak solder. I had the exact same problem, correct tail hold for few minutes then tail spin and gyro look solid on the board. IMHO the gyro can take cold but the loose solder will not. You can do what I did, fixing the gyro to the side of the board. I had 20+ flight this way without tail problem. It works.
fauconnier is offline Find More Posts by fauconnier
Last edited by fauconnier; Mar 03, 2013 at 08:50 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old Mar 03, 2013, 08:45 AM
Flying a Falcon or a RC Heli.
fauconnier's Avatar
Canada, QC, Rimouski
Joined Jul 2012
681 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkWolf View Post
Ok... So one of the only real complaints that I'd ever had with the F45 is that it's like flying in mud as far as control response goes.

For the paddle mod, you get better control response in exchange for poorer wind authority, yes?

I'd never had very good forward authority with mine. It takes full forward stick to get it moving, and even then, that's far slower than expected.

Any advice? I moved the servo horn to the end hole on the aileron servo, but still looking for a horn on the rear elevator servo. What brand horn is compatible with this?
Are you on 100 % elev 100% throt. ? Did you removed the vertical fin and side bars, it help ? For FFF, in this order: cut the throttle,max elev., full throttle. You can lengthen the arm with a piece of carbon ( on a 9116 pic. ) or metal.
fauconnier is offline Find More Posts by fauconnier
Reply With Quote
Old Mar 03, 2013, 08:54 AM
Scotsman in Germany
tiggertoo1962's Avatar
Germany, BY, Schwabach
Joined Oct 2012
1,620 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grumpy Vet View Post
I appreciate your faith in me Fin. I'll have to go back through this thread and see if I can find a laundry list of the stuff I need. I remember seeing a piece here and a piece there. I don't recall seeing a complete turnkey list from HK. Maybe later today - I'll dig back through this and try to find everything I need, price it up and see if it is doable right now.

I'm still leery. I don't own a soldering gun/tip and I'm pretty non-handy. I just don't want to screw this thing up.

Charger Power Source:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...er_Supply.html
Charger:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...cessories.html
Upgraded Battery:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...iver_Pack.html
Brushless Motor:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...er_4100kv.html
ESC
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idProduct=2168
Pinion Gear:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s..._10T_1pc_.html
2.5MM Hex Screws:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...and_A2035.html

I'll pick up a soldering tip and solder locally.

What size heat shrink do I need?
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...shrink&x=0&y=0
What kind of connectors do I need for the wires? Like this?
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...dProduct=24424
Do I need a new PCB?
Do I need to put a swtich on the copter? Like this?
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...uctId=2062485#


Glad you're giving it a go Grumpy. Way I see it, if you can castrate a cat you can solder a circuit board .

Here's a link to some soldering tutorials. Have a look through, get some bits of wire and practise, practise, practise.
https://www.google.de/search?q=solde...w=1366&bih=665

I got a bunch of different sized heatshrink from ebay. For this job I think you only need from 1mm to around 2.5 or 3mm, but I just reckoned for the price I paid it's handy to have a bunch lying around... you never know when it might come in useful.

The connectors are exactly what you need for the motor to ESC. I bought a switch for the positive ESC power lead but ended up just using a bullet connector for that too. If you check the videos on my blog you'll see what I did.

There's more than one way to skin a cat and you'll find people have used various methods of getting the gear clearance (mounting it upside down, putting a wooden or plastic spacer under the motor, etc.). I've heard there are also press-on gears which don't have the wide bit where the holding screw goes, but I've never tried them myself and don't have a link. Might be of interest though when I have a bit of time again.

Meantime I've got my 3 batteries in for the day and am back off to my scratcher so I don't fall asleep during my nightshift .

If things don't go exactly according to plan at first just persevere. It's worth it for the feeling you get when your bird soars after YOU have done the work .

Good luck
Fin
tiggertoo1962 is offline Find More Posts by tiggertoo1962
RCG Plus Member
Latest blog entry: FS TH9X/WL-T6 settings
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Category Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Discussion On self stabilising single-rotor helis (FP/CP) and comparison to quadcopters and coax LMF5000 Electric Heli Talk 10 Apr 13, 2014 02:59 PM
Discussion UAV systems Single Rotor vs Multi Rotor iskoos UAV - Unmanned Aerial Vehicles 2 Jan 06, 2012 10:51 PM
Question Upgrading from Co-Axial to FP Single Rotor Judo JoNny Electric Heli Talk 57 Sep 20, 2010 12:10 PM
Discussion Best FP single rotor 4 CH Heli? helinewbie617 Micro Helis 76 Oct 31, 2009 07:16 PM
For Sale will trade my orbiter coaxial for a fp or cp single rotor heli micro heli Aircraft - Electric - Helis (FS/W) 3 Sep 05, 2007 01:36 PM