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Old Oct 18, 2012, 02:19 AM
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Thank you for the quick reply. It's a shame hobbyking wont ship to china, its pretty hard to google very specific stuff in chinese such as tx/rx systems. I mainly get results for the large ones used in home security lol. Also, getting stuff in china isn't much cheaper than stock hobbyking prices, unless you know alot about the local scene.

Looks like this is the Heli for me. I'll start measuring tx and cam weights. Also, does the heli fly well without the faceplate? Could save a bit of weight removing that.
By face plate do you mean the Plastic Canopy? I'm sure it would fly fine, the Centre of Gravity will shift back slightly due to the nose weight being lost. You could probably counter-act this by placing the FPV gear appropriately.

Just be aware that the Gyro will be VERY vulnerable if you do that. One major drawback of the F45's design is that the Gyro is directly in the path of the FlyBar, so if you were to crash, or make sudden direction changes, chances are the flybar would knock the gyro off, resulting in a completely erratic Heli.

I would consider protecting the Gyro and PCB extensively if you were to fly with no canopy.
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Old Oct 18, 2012, 10:16 AM
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. . . . For example, mine has 30g of putty in the nose (for trim purposes) and has no problems at all . . . .
I am curious as to why you need 30g of extra weight to trim the F45?

regards . . . g
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Old Oct 18, 2012, 10:49 AM
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Brushless Tail Conversion Thought

I have been thinking about the brushless tail motor conversion and I am wondering how this sounds:

Since we have the slight startup delay with the brushless main motor, I wonder if this same lag is what is causing the brushless tail to be less effective?
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Old Oct 18, 2012, 10:53 AM
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I am curious as to why you need 30g of extra weight to trim the F45?

regards . . . g
My first two F45's flew why different from each other. One flew forward like bat out of hell and the other did not have the same momentum. A little weight in the nose would have helped that bird until I found it was and actual difference in stock main blades that was causing this issue.
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Old Oct 18, 2012, 11:31 AM
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My first two F45's flew why different from each other. One flew forward like bat out of hell and the other did not have the same momentum. A little weight in the nose would have helped that bird until I found it was and actual difference in stock main blades that was causing this issue.
Go to mjxtoys.com to see the new F47
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Old Oct 18, 2012, 11:39 AM
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Which of these 2 ESCs should I get?

Well my motor has a 22.6A continuous draw and 26A max current rating. Can I get away with this Turnigy ESC rated at 25A continuous, or would it be pushing it to the limit?

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ontroller.html

or there is also this 35A rated Genesis one:

http://www.bananahobby.com/gpesc35a-bec-69228-prd1.html
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Old Oct 18, 2012, 12:03 PM
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My first two F45's flew why different from each other. One flew forward like bat out of hell and the other did not have the same momentum. A little weight in the nose would have helped that bird until I found it was and actual difference in stock main blades that was causing this issue.
interesting clue, the main blades...
to return to my last post, also my two birds fly in different manner.. how did you found that the problem was in blades?
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Old Oct 18, 2012, 12:08 PM
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By face plate do you mean the Plastic Canopy? I'm sure it would fly fine, the Centre of Gravity will shift back slightly due to the nose weight being lost. You could probably counter-act this by placing the FPV gear appropriately.

Just be aware that the Gyro will be VERY vulnerable if you do that. One major drawback of the F45's design is that the Gyro is directly in the path of the FlyBar, so if you were to crash, or make sudden direction changes, chances are the flybar would knock the gyro off, resulting in a completely erratic Heli.

I would consider protecting the Gyro and PCB extensively if you were to fly with no canopy.
I guess since I am a beginner I should focus on keeping the canopy.

I've found some what I assume to be the lightest tx i can visually judge by in the chinese online market, however it goes by the 900-1200mhz band. If you have any experience in FPV, would this interfere with the F45's 2.4Ghz band?

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This is the tx/rx http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=...id=10602006165
This is the camera http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=...id=9326239094&
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Old Oct 18, 2012, 12:50 PM
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interesting clue, the main blades...
to return to my last post, also my two birds fly in different manner.. how did you found that the problem was in blades?
I swapped heads between the two birds and it was like magic. Started paying closer attention to weight and straightness of the blades.
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Old Oct 18, 2012, 12:56 PM
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New Blades

Gotta love the Honey Bee Blades from Xtreme, but boy they are dangerous.
Came in way too hot for a landing, and I am sure it would have made a good YouTube vid the way I was dancing trying to avoid the inevitable. LOLOL
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Old Oct 18, 2012, 01:30 PM
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Gotta love the Honey Bee Blades from Xtreme
Hello Arrowshooter, can you explain in wich manner they are different and what changes (in better or worse) with them, thanks !
And is there something to modify ? (sand down, drill...)
Are these the EHB014 model from Xtreme ?

Roland
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Old Oct 18, 2012, 02:26 PM
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Gotta love the Honey Bee Blades from Xtreme, but boy they are dangerous.
Came in way too hot for a landing, and I am sure it would have made a good YouTube vid the way I was dancing trying to avoid the inevitable. LOLOL
Since your such a good painter, you should paint a couple of yellow stipes near the end of the blades and you can see better whats going to get you.
Yes, they are a little more dangerous and spinning at an extra 6 or 7 hundred RPM makes them more so. But at lease you were a nice back stop to save your blades.
How do you like the performance with them?
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Old Oct 18, 2012, 02:35 PM
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Performance wise, they seem to get off the ground and hover smoother. They also picked up speed a little quicker which it what took me by surprise in the back yard. I will go to the park this afternoon, if the wind dies down a bit, so I have more room to slow down. LOL

Roger that on the paint.
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Old Oct 18, 2012, 02:48 PM
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Hello Arrowshooter, can you explain in which manner they are different and what changes (in better or worse) with them, thanks !
And is there something to modify ? (sand down, drill...)
Are these the EHB014 model from Xtreme ?

Roland
You need to make the mounting in smaller in diameter, so I jigged them up to get as even as I could. I used the paper hole reinforcements as a guide.

You also need to make the hole bigger. I used a 15/64 drill bit and a ream and just worked at it till it fit.

You also need to shim them more. I used the plastic from a Duracell battery package of which two shims came out to .023".

Yes those are the blades.
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Old Oct 18, 2012, 02:59 PM
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I guess since I am a beginner I should focus on keeping the canopy.

I've found some what I assume to be the lightest tx i can visually judge by in the chinese online market, however it goes by the 900-1200mhz band. If you have any experience in FPV, would this interfere with the F45's 2.4Ghz band?

Additional Info:
This is the tx/rx http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=...id=10602006165
This is the camera http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=...id=9326239094&
I may be reading this wrong but if I don't think you'll have much luck hoisting 160g transmitter on an F45. Even the 34g keychain camera I use for filming aerial video is noticeable.

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I swapped heads between the two birds and it was like magic. Started paying closer attention to weight and straightness of the blades.
I recently had the same discovery on a DH9116. I had one that was shaking like crazy and I tried everything I could think of until I thought - wait a sec - I haven't checked the blades. Sure enough, one blade was ~2g lighter than the other. I pulled a set of replacements out, found a match to the heavier one, and the vibration is completely gone.

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Gotta love the Honey Bee Blades from Xtreme, but boy they are dangerous.
Came in way too hot for a landing, and I am sure it would have made a good YouTube vid the way I was dancing trying to avoid the inevitable. LOLOL
Wow! That is impressive. I think the stock blades are dangerous enough, but those look deadly.
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