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Old Feb 16, 2012, 01:12 PM
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Wow, deadbird. Just WOW!

The FW190 is my favourite Axis bird as well, seconded by the Stuka.

As for funding... Have you heard of Kickstarter or Crowdfunder? They could be a funding venue for you.

Any more information on pricing or progress?

Cheers!
Randall
Randall - I have to thank you tremendously for the compliments and the funding leads. As you will see as the thread develops the kit has some components that I feel are essential to the kit but can be modestly expensive to produce. This is why I need to get a feel for the 'market' so to speak.

I'm going to have a good read thru both the sites and see what gives!

With pricing so far I am aiming for 'reasonable and comparitive' to others in the market and keeping shipping costs to a minimum.

Thanks once again!
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 01:20 PM
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Heinz Bar would be proud of your rendition I would think!

Marc
Marc, I think of all the compliments and congrats that everyone has been gracious enough to post yours comment certainly makes me feel the extra effort has been worth it. Is that Heinz's Red 23 I see lurking in your profile pic?
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 01:36 PM
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Deadbird, your detailed graphics really make the plane pop! You've taken the 'printed warbirds' idea to the next level, and honestly, it makes me want to build one of these.

Even more than a whole kit, I'd be interested in (paying for) a "PDF kit" -- plans plus the skins. Please let me know if you'd like to try out this sort of idea.
Thanks Jeffsch for your kind words and I dont want to dissapoint but it is very unlikely that I will do an 'e-kit'. There are a number of reasons but its mainly down to the makeup of the kit itself. Not only has there been a large amount of research into the graphics but there are some other special materials and ideas that have also been meticulously researched, designed, trialed and tested. I guess what I'm trying to say is 'the whole is greater than the sum of its parts'.

Stick with the thread and I hope I will be able to explain this in greater detail. And I would be very grateful for your feedback once were there!
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 01:52 PM
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You're welcome deadbird. Isn't sharing and helping each other what forums are all about?

There are other alternatives. I just googled "kickstarter alternatives".

Are you thinking kit, ARF or something in between?

Personally, I'd love to throw one of the AS3X boards in when (or if) they come out as user-programmable.

Realistically, I'd pay $50USD for a kit (no electronics) or up to $110USD for an ARF (kit+motor+ESC+servos).

Of course with quite a few of the online fund sites you can have multiple levels, so you could have: kit, ARF, kit+plans, ARF+plans, etc.

I'll be glad to help out any way I can.

Cheers!
Randall
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 01:56 PM
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Hey deadbird I had noticed that you used to make planes from molding. Is that something you still do? Sorry getting off topic but I was looking at your 109 and it looks awesome.
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 02:26 PM
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Marc, I think of all the compliments and congrats that everyone has been gracious enough to post yours comment certainly makes me feel the extra effort has been worth it. Is that Heinz's Red 23 I see lurking in your profile pic?
It is, I did my first plastic kit in 20-25 years and that is what I did. It is funny, on this side of the ship, the Red 13 exploded and that is how the Red 23 ended up there. I figured that the two sides were flown in the same month so how could it be that bad. I am in the process of building a 1/5 scale 190 D9, go to www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1583068 to see it.

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Old Feb 16, 2012, 02:28 PM
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You're welcome deadbird. Isn't sharing and helping each other what forums are all about?

There are other alternatives. I just googled "kickstarter alternatives".

Are you thinking kit, ARF or something in between?

Personally, I'd love to throw one of the AS3X boards in when (or if) they come out as user-programmable.

Realistically, I'd pay $50USD for a kit (no electronics) or up to $110USD for an ARF (kit+motor+ESC+servos).

Of course with quite a few of the online fund sites you can have multiple levels, so you could have: kit, ARF, kit+plans, ARF+plans, etc.

I'll be glad to help out any way I can.

Cheers!
Randall
Super useful info once again. I was thinking of doing a kit with everything but the the Rx & Tx and a kit without electronics. I'm with you on the AS3X. Wonder whats going in the new UM Spit???
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 02:35 PM
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Hey deadbird I had noticed that you used to make planes from molding. Is that something you still do? Sorry getting off topic but I was looking at your 109 and it looks awesome.
It's still sitting on the shelf waiting for new electronics. I havent continued with the moulding, only because I wanted to concentrate on this idea. Still got all my moulds so hope to get back to it sometime. Got a 1/32 Sopwith Camel just waiting to be finished off too!
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 03:33 PM
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Turning the artwork into a jigsaw puzzle

Tried as I might I couldnt find any covering material that suited the requirement in the current hobby market so I kept my eyes peeled. Anyone noticed the wrap they put around bottles of Cola?

Looking at the material you can see you can print on it to a good resolution, its quite resistant to stretching and it's strong too. So I eventually found a company in the UK that supplied this type of material.

I explained to them what I was trying to do and they very kindly sent samples of a range of materials that were even tougher, more dimensionally stable, self adhesive, waterproof & chemical proof and still very light.

And another advantage I was soon to learn was that the material's dimensional stability makes the aircraft a whole heap stronger. With my flying skills that's important!

Now what was needed was to work out how best to carve up and present the artwork to make it easy to apply to the airframe. The parts could then be arrange in sheets and printed and cut by robots!
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 05:05 PM
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...and cut by robots!
I like big bots!

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Old Feb 16, 2012, 05:45 PM
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Have you given any thought to retracts or flaps? Those are probably the first mods I'd do. May as well use channels 5&6 on an AR6400/AR6410.
Maybe replace the inner trailing edge with 1 (or if you can find it 1.5mm) depron for split flaps.

Are you using normal depron or depron aero?

How about a main wing airfoil for added speed/maneuverability?

I've been messing with a paperclip and some pieces of card stock paper to figure out a way to do retracts with a single SPMAS2000/SPMAS2000L. I've got a couple ideas that might work.

Edit: I realize we're talking about a 406mm wing span, but it's possible.

Cheers!
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 06:12 PM
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that looks awesome, your hard work on the detail really paid off. great thinking on the method of covering as well.
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 08:08 PM
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Hey Jon...get in contact with Andy at Micron Radio Control, he may be able to help you out with getting the core parts laser cut. He's going to be producing my line of micro kits under licenses for the UK market, so I know he's got access to a laser cutter.
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 08:10 PM
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Simply amazing. Keep us updated!
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Old Feb 16, 2012, 08:51 PM
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Yes Please keep us updated! This is slick! Really think your on to something here.
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