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Old Mar 30, 2012, 10:48 PM
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Hi Marbleheads, this is John Z from Annapolis. My boat, 3347 was built from Graham Bantock's "Wafer" plans and I think it would like to come down from the wall to sail sometime. I have been sailing Classic Moths (11' dinghy) for the past 8 years and the American Moth class had similar development class problems as our Marblehead class; i.e. continuous ramping up technology and expense until people decided to bail out of the class. The way it was handled is similar to the proposal mentioned, the (American) Classic Moth class was divided into 3 divisions: vintage, generation 1 and generation 2. All three divisions show up at regattas and start together but the classes usually sift out on the first leg. Finishes are scored separately for each division. We have separate awards for each division and great parties afterwards because there are lots more boats there than if we only sailed gen 1 or vintage, etc. As sailors get older they usually drop back a division but still get to participate with all of their old and new friends. We have two sailors in their 80's who were national champions in the 50's and 60's and still get to sail with us.

I agree with someone earlier in this thread who said the more people racing, the more fun the sailing!
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Old Mar 31, 2012, 05:57 AM
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...I think it would like to come down from the wall to sail sometime...
I am in. Let's schedule a Fun/Race day soon. Votes for a location? Annapolis area is fine with me.
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Old Mar 31, 2012, 07:05 AM
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I vote for New London Ct
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Old Mar 31, 2012, 09:28 AM
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Hi Marbleheads, this is John Z from Annapolis. My boat, 3347 was built from Graham Bantock's "Wafer" plans and I think it would like to come down from the wall to sail sometime. I have been sailing Classic Moths (11' dinghy) for the past 8 years and the American Moth class had similar development class problems as our Marblehead class; i.e. continuous ramping up technology and expense until people decided to bail out of the class. The way it was handled is similar to the proposal mentioned, the (American) Classic Moth class was divided into 3 divisions: vintage, generation 1 and generation 2. All three divisions show up at regattas and start together but the classes usually sift out on the first leg. Finishes are scored separately for each division. We have separate awards for each division and great parties afterwards because there are lots more boats there than if we only sailed gen 1 or vintage, etc. As sailors get older they usually drop back a division but still get to participate with all of their old and new friends. We have two sailors in their 80's who were national champions in the 50's and 60's and still get to sail with us.

I agree with someone earlier in this thread who said the more people racing, the more fun the sailing!
You are exactly the person the class would like to get the attention of!
There have been a couple people assessing new interest just through this one small internet thread... Great!
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Old Mar 31, 2012, 09:45 AM
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You are exactly the person the class would like to get the attention of!
There have been a couple people assessing new interest just through this one small internet thread... Great!
We have 4 of the old gang responding already: John, Tom, Mike and myself!
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Old Mar 31, 2012, 11:15 AM
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Jumping the gun a bit as I'm still looking for value, but a fellow from northern Wisconsin is looking to sell a "mid-vintage" Soling 50 (Marblehead class) sail # 1575. Hasn't been in water in some time (static display) and appears to be in general good shape - except for one "ouch" on leading edge of keel that will need a bit of filler. It will come with two sets of sails (color and white) and has an Airtronics FM radio and a Vortex SC-3 arm winch. I believe this can race as one design as well as 50/800 and I am guessing mid to late 1970's or early 80's perhaps.

As noted - I am trying to gather enough info for him to set price. He knows radio would probably need an update but is concerned with cost to ship as it would require a box to hold it. When I get some pricing and an OK - I will update. In the meantime a photo of boat taken in 2009 and still there, the radio and winch layout. Also - if you provide me with your email, I can send a full size image for seeing more detail.

Dick

Please PM me if you wish to be notified directly if/when this becomes available. NOTE that I am not involved in this sale other than - just trying to find a new home. We don't race this size in Minneapolis area, otherwise I would jump on it.
What a great boat.
That would probably be best served going to Someone in AMYA Region 6.
http://www.theamya.org/regions/region6.php

Reason being that Adrian Olson (GRP) of Freedom, C.A. has been a distributor of the Soling 50 in that area, and more than 3/4 of the Soling 50 class is registered there (73 boats in that area.. More surely exist but those are Active & registered.)

If someone were to pick that boat up in the C.A. area they could actively sail it as a dual-rated Soling 50/M, and get the most benefit for what it is.
There are a few Soling 50/M's in my club, but not an active soling 50 fleet, so they are just M's.
The Soling 1M dominates, which of-course it's the #1 registered boat in AMYA...


As far as the electronics are concerned, If they work they work!
Sure, it would be in the best interest for someone to upgrade [To a Spektrum, of course ] But if you can put that boat in the water today, why not do so!

Even though that soling 50 has been hanging around for quite some time, it looks to be in very, very good condition.
And is a prime example of the boats that aready exist that can be dusted off and sailed with minimal rehab/building effort.
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Old Mar 31, 2012, 08:13 PM
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We have 4 of the old gang responding already: John, Tom, Mike and myself!
And Will Wagner too. (Saw him today). His dad had a boat too. I'll call the Quantum guys too.
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Old Apr 01, 2012, 09:44 AM
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Where?

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I am in. Let's schedule a Fun/Race day soon. Votes for a location? Annapolis area is fine with me.

Sandy Point?
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Old Apr 04, 2012, 10:12 PM
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Sandy Point?
You folks should join us July 20-22 at Redds Pond, Marblehead M.A. for the VM Nationals if you can.

I'm sure you are mostly talking about sailing Modern M's but if you have a VM, please come participate.

If you don't have a VM, well, then come watch as a member of the M-Class. Our local club has enough boats ourselves to make the event worth watching.

Here's just one of our local events from last season:
2011 Bill Bithell Vintage Marblehead Race Start (1 min 16 sec)
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Old Apr 05, 2012, 11:05 AM
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Here's just one of our local events from last season:
https://vimeo.com/30602547
Crazy Pond winds! Hope you have a better place to sail for a major regatta. I always hate to see luck determine who gets to the weather mark first.

Don
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Old Apr 05, 2012, 11:40 AM
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Crazy Pond winds! Hope you have a better place to sail for a major regatta. I always hate to see luck determine who gets to the weather mark first.

Don
25% of the fleet didn't finish that event, due to gear failures from such high winds.
It was Honkin' that weekend.

Say what you will about Redds. No doubt it's a difficult place to sail.

The first to the weather mark at Redds pond is rarely determined by luck.
It's a difficult pond in terms of winds and draft constraints. First to the mark is the most experienced skippers 90% of the time.

Case & point is right in that video... The most experience skipper makes it to the weather mark first, even after having to tack away from someone in the middle of the pack, in a situation that he had rights and could have kept going.
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Old Apr 06, 2012, 09:54 AM
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...First to the mark is the most experienced skippers 90% of the time.

Case & point is right in that video... The most experience skipper makes it to the weather mark first, even after having to tack away from someone in the middle of the pack, in a situation that he had rights and could have kept going.
My comment on crazy pond winds is shown around 50 seconds when the leader gets an extreme lift compared to the boats on the right side of course (closest to camera) and proceeds to bury the pack.

Non-the-less, if there are enough races the best skippers always rise above the rest.

Best of luck keeping the old M's racing.

Don
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Old Apr 06, 2012, 10:29 AM
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My comment on crazy pond winds is shown around 50 seconds when the leader gets an extreme lift compared to the boats on the right side of course (closest to camera) and proceeds to bury the pack.

Non-the-less, if there are enough races the best skippers always rise above the rest.

Best of luck keeping the old M's racing.

Don
Dude, don't ever insult a man's pond.

Don, hope to see you when we get this Annapolis thing organized.
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Old Apr 06, 2012, 10:36 AM
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My comment on crazy pond winds is shown around 50 seconds when the leader gets an extreme lift compared to the boats on the right side of course (closest to camera) and proceeds to bury the pack.

Non-the-less, if there are enough races the best skippers always rise above the rest.

Best of luck keeping the old M's racing.

Don
The white/ blue bottom boat that Gets a big slingshot out , and reaches the house first is me... But I lost all of that coming across the fleet on port, and had to give way.


The red boat (Standley) has starboard rights over the fleet from :40 on, and away he goes.

If you watch where he came from, he came across the line in roughly 10th Place.
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The RM Veterans Championship in the UK is to take place on 8th April 2012 at Chelmsford it's a one day event the lake is very large so should be some exciting racing unfortunatly (or fortunatly) I'm not old enought to compete.
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