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Old Aug 25, 2012, 08:33 PM
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Wow, look at the ditch that thing is digging!!!

Is it an M or a VM?
There is no VM class.


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Old Aug 25, 2012, 08:35 PM
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1 through 4 were skalpels. 6 was a Bantock Monarch, 8 was a JT Pixel. The other two I think were the same design, but I dont know for sure. I didnt catch the design. Both 7 and 8 were DNF. I sailed the Pixel and the DNF was due to changes I made to the rigging, not the design.

John

By the way, we are all very remiss in giving you the Marblehead medal of honor for being the only participant to try competing with a newly developed boat (even if it was to just make small rigging changes), In a developmental class.

It's truely unfortunate you had problems with it..
I'm sure what you have learnt will give you a better ability to sail next-time though.




Slotracer577 wins the 2012 Marblehead Medal Of Honor.
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Old Aug 26, 2012, 10:40 AM
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There is no VM class.


Just Sayin'
Really? No such thing as the Vintage Marblehead Group?

So you are just sayin' that a common "M misconception" is that a Madcap is not competitive with a Skalpel?

I'm confused... but that's OK...

Madcap does look like a neat boat.
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Old Aug 26, 2012, 01:59 PM
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Really? No such thing as the Vintage Marblehead Group? .
No, thats not what I said.

What I said was:
"There is no VM Class"



Your original question was:
"What is it, a M, or A VM"

Well.
One of those two is a class. The other a special interest group.
So, what is the Madcap design, An M, or a VM?
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Old Aug 26, 2012, 02:08 PM
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So, what is the Madcap design, An M, or a VM?
Ok. which is it? I know, it is both!

http://pages.swcp.com/usvmyg/VM/vmrules.htm

Can I race my Skalpal in the upcoming Bithell Cup?

Seems like there is a VM "class". It my be call itself a "special interest group" but it sure seems to act like a "class"
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Old Aug 26, 2012, 02:34 PM
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Ok. which is it? I know, it is both!

http://pages.swcp.com/usvmyg/VM/vmrules.htm

Can I race my Skalpal in the upcoming Bithell Cup?

Seems like there is a VM "class". It my be call itself a "special interest group" but it sure seems to act like a "class"



Here is a list of AMYA sanctioned classes.
You tell me..
What is the USVMG?

http://www.theamya.org/boats/
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Old Aug 26, 2012, 02:42 PM
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AMYA sanctioned classes.
ahhhh, AMYA sanctioned classes? It isn't a class unless it is sanctioned by the AMYA? How interesting!

I know you know what the USVMG is!

So the "VM Rules" and the fact that there are owners of boats who sail in regattas within that framework means nothing?
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Old Aug 26, 2012, 03:10 PM
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I know you know what the USVMG is!

Of course I know what the USVMG is, So do you.
it's a Group.



What class is the Madcap?
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Old Aug 26, 2012, 03:48 PM
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So you are just sayin' that a common "M misconception" is that a Madcap is not competitive with a Skalpel?
Re-Read the context of that.
The common misconception is that the M is all about "rocket science" I.E. the new boats.. Skapel etc.
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Old Aug 26, 2012, 04:56 PM
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What class is the Madcap?
of course the Madcap measures as a Marblehead but would probably better enjoy racing in the "VM" fleet.


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Re-Read the context of that.
The common misconception is that the M is all about "rocket science" I.E. the new boats.. Skapel etc.
Context?

If you want to win- which is the object of racing, isn't it about having a fast boat and sailing it well?

I guess I don't understand how a nice design like the Madcap is relevant when sharing the starting line with something derrived from the latest "rocket science".

What am I missing?

I guess it is the idea of racing in a big fleet using an old boat with next-to-no possibility of placing? Sounds like fun, but for how long? Are free rum drinks handed out at major Marblehead Regattas? That might entice me to take an old boat across the country to race against the latest!



Good thing there are "special interest groups" for the owners of older boats.
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Old Aug 26, 2012, 05:21 PM
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of course the Madcap measures as a Marblehead but would probably better enjoy racing in the "VM" fleet.

DING DING DING!
I couldn't have said it better myself. Which is Why I didn't say it.
Had I said that... it would have been more of "this is they way it is, and there is no other way"
You deducted that statement on your own thought process.




There are two mis-conceptions in recent thread posts.

First.... That the Madcap measures as a Marblehead Class 50/800 (and sailed under the Vintage Group .. Not Class) Because it is more enjoyable to sail similar boats.
No, if you had a Skapel you could not sail in the Bill Bithell cup. The boats are too far different.. That's no fun.

Second... The Marblehead Class is not entirely 100% made up of the "Skapel" which gives the class a horrible name.
Yes, the Skapel is a geat boat. Yes, the skapel is expensive. NO, the Marblehead is not entirely rocket-science, there are many, many, many other aspects to this class

Yes, you can get into the Marblehead class economically.
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Old Aug 26, 2012, 05:30 PM
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No, if you had a Skapel you could not sail in the Bill Bithell cup. The boats are too far different.. That's no fun...
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DING DING DING!
I couldn't have said it better myself. ...You deducted that statement on your own thought process...
Exactly.
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Old Aug 26, 2012, 05:58 PM
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Wow, look at the ditch that thing is digging!!!

Is it an M or a VM?
Now,
Using your own personal opinon please in review of this:


What Class does the Madcap belong to?

What Group does the Madcap sail in?
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Old Aug 26, 2012, 06:30 PM
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Now,
Using your own personal opinon please in review of this:


What Class does the Madcap belong to?

What Group does the Madcap sail in?
I get it Breakwater.

But, will the Madcap win or even place in a major Marblehead regatta anytime soon?

Will a Skalpel win the Bithell Cup this year? Why not? it is a Marblehead, just like the Madcap, no? Why is it not eliglble to race? Doesn't measure as a "VM"?

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Old Aug 26, 2012, 07:18 PM
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But, will the Madcap win or even place in a major Marblehead regatta anytime soon?
The actual madcap photo placed 3rd in this year's Traditional Group, Vintage Marblehead Nationals.
A Madcap also placed 5th, and 6th.
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