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Old Feb 13, 2013, 11:51 AM
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I started building the fuselage tonight for the Axon and I'm surprised how strong it feels. Tomorrow I'll be joining them and possibly starting on the wing.

I'm using the cheap Duck brand packing tape you can get at Wal-Mart for $1. According to their website, the standard tape is 1.9 mil. Will this work well or should I get something that is a bit thicker?
You're talking about joining the two wing segments and binding the fuse sections?

Any duct tape will be strong enough for those jobs. Wherever you tape will be strongest part of the plane (says I, having built one, but not having flown it yet). Perhaps other pilots will have better field intel.

That being said, not all duct tapes are made the same. Scotch brand "Tough" duct tape has superior strength and handling characteristics (in my opinion). I willingly pay up to 3X dollar store prices for it (sacrilege), and use it exclusively for things like wing hinges on simple profile foamies.

In case you haven't thought of it, you can get colour matched duct tape from some dollar stores. Titan brand duct tape has red, green, blue, and yellow, that I can remember for sure, and a few others, that all colour match Tape Brothers Packing tape perfectly.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 11:58 AM
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Hey,
How about a competition for the slowest flying (and still controllable) armin wing design? I'm thinking along the lines of the Slowbipe, not the awesome stall landing of the Peace Drone.
Anyone in?
Ed?
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:01 PM
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When I joined my wings I put a piece of 3mm plywood, cut to the same shape as the airfoil, sandwiched between them and applied white GG and then a few dabs of hot glue to keep it from moving. Then taped over lengthwise for good measure. I don't believe this will ever come apart, and the beating it survived is proof.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:22 PM
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You're talking about joining the two wing segments and binding the fuse sections?

Any duct tape will be strong enough for those jobs. Wherever you tape will be strongest part of the plane (says I, having built one, but not having flown it yet). Perhaps other pilots will have better field intel.

That being said, not all duct tapes are made the same. Scotch brand "Tough" duct tape has superior strength and handling characteristics (in my opinion). I willingly pay up to 3X dollar store prices for it (sacrilege), and use it exclusively for things like wing hinges on simple profile foamies.

In case you haven't thought of it, you can get colour matched duct tape from some dollar stores. Titan brand duct tape has red, green, blue, and yellow, that I can remember for sure, and a few others, that all colour match Tape Brothers Packing tape perfectly.
I was talking about the packing tape to cover the paper but Ed responded on YouTube and said that the cheap stuff will still work fine. Which dollar store did you get the colored duct tape? I checked Dollar Tree and they only had leopard and pink. I was planning on getting my duct tape from Tape Brothers since their place is 10 minutes away from my house.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:31 PM
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I got different colored duct tape at Walmart, including the B/W checkered stuff I used on another plane.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 12:36 PM
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I got different colored duct tape at Walmart, including the B/W checkered stuff I used on another plane.
Home Depot carries them too.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:39 PM
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I was talking about the packing tape to cover the paper but Ed responded on YouTube and said that the cheap stuff will still work fine. Which dollar store did you get the colored duct tape? I checked Dollar Tree and they only had leopard and pink. I was planning on getting my duct tape from Tape Brothers since their place is 10 minutes away from my house.
Ahh, now I see it -- I stopped at "Duck" and didn't see "packing tape".

Like Ed says, any packing tape should work fine. That being said, Tape Brothers tape has superior handling characteristics. For example, I picked up a six roll pack of Staples house brand 2.2mm tape, and have used it on $tree FB for a few projects. Definitely it goes on fine and performs fine also. However it tends to get twisted and snagged easily, and tends to grab on fast and easy, resulting in a higher incidence of fails / low quality results. Tape Brothers tape, by way of contrast, seems "well mannered" to me. It tends not to lock on to the paper at feather edge touch, and seems to be less tangly in general. It "irons out" nicely too (gift card method). And yet once you press it on, it goes on secure.

I'm pretty sure this is not a placebo effect. It seems to me that Tape Brothers tape really is better.

As for where to get Titan coloured duct tape, I've just found it in a couple of non-chain dollar stores in my home town. If you don't find colour matched tape some other way, I'd recommend keeping an eye out for Titan tape whenever you hit the tape aisle in stores.

Disclaimer: I have no connection to Tape Brothers and am not compensated for promoting their products. I'm just a retail customer recommending their tape.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 01:47 PM
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Ahh, now I see it -- I stopped at "Duck" and didn't see "packing tape".

Like Ed says, any packing tape should work fine. That being said, Tape Brothers tape has superior handling characteristics. For example, I picked up a six roll pack of Staples house brand 2.2mm tape, and have used it on $tree FB for a few projects. Definitely it goes on fine and performs fine also. However it tends to get twisted and snagged easily, and tends to grab on fast and easy, resulting in a higher incidence of fails / low quality results. Tape Brothers tape, by way of contrast, seems "well mannered" to me. It tends not to lock on to the paper at feather edge touch, and seems to be less tangly in general. It "irons out" nicely too (gift card method). And yet once you press it on, it goes on secure.

I'm pretty sure this is not a placebo effect. It seems to me that Tape Brothers tape really is better.

As for where to get Titan coloured duct tape, I've just found it in a couple of non-chain dollar stores in my home town. If you don't find colour matched tape some other way, I'd recommend keeping an eye out for Titan tape whenever you hit the tape aisle in stores.

Disclaimer: I have no connection to Tape Brothers and am not compensated for promoting their products. I'm just a retail customer recommending their tape.
I defiantly experienced the same issues you did with the cheap tape. I had multiple times where it stuck before I was ready which caused some creases that I couldn't push out. It shouldn't matter too much on the fuselage but when I go to make the wing I'll have to figure out another method. For now I'll probably stick with this packing tape since I already have a few rolls but when I order some colored duct tape when I'm almost ready to finish the plane i'll grab some of their colored packing tape too.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 03:20 PM
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Hey,
How about a competition for the slowest flying (and still controllable) armin wing design? I'm thinking along the lines of the Slowbipe, not the awesome stall landing of the Peace Drone.
Anyone in?
Ed?
Oh I'm in i will enter my GoSlow 60" Built it for super slow but stable flight
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 06:18 PM
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Oh I'm in i will enter my GoSlow 60" Built it for super slow but stable flight
Sweet! Do you have pictures and specs? I should make it clear that this is just a suggestion. I'm interested in slow flying planes because I'm still new and speed is scary. Maybe if enough people are interested someone can come up with a prize.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 09:46 PM
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This was probly dicussed in this thread somewhere but what is a good powersystem for a noob tube. Really would like one of those combo packs with motor esc and servos. But any power advice would be nice.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 10:40 PM
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These aren't covered with duct tape, they are covered with packing tape, a very thin, light plastic tape. Duct tape is thick and heavy, a completely different product from the very light packing tape, a plane covered with duct tape will be tremendously heavier and not fly nearly as well as one covered with the thin packing tape. The packing tape adds almost no weight to the finished plane, duct tape could easily outweigh the plane itself.

You can buy clear plastic packing tape at WalMart, its thicker and heavier than the color packing tapes, but it is serviceable and a good compromise if you don't have access to the color variety.

I HIGHLY recommend you don't use duct tape on your plane.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 10:54 PM
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wing man is correct, duct tape is heavy and should be used sparingly. I will also suggest removing the paper and covering both sides with sealing or packing tape it adds a tremendous amount of strength without much weight gain. All of my plains were made this way and are still flying.
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Old Feb 13, 2013, 11:20 PM
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This was probly dicussed in this thread somewhere but what is a good powersystem for a noob tube. Really would like one of those combo packs with motor esc and servos. But any power advice would be nice.
I don't know off hand what the recommended set-up is, but if you look at the video on Ed's youtube channel he has all the specs listed below the video. Hope that get's you pointed in the right direction

Cheers,
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Old Feb 14, 2013, 07:45 AM
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These aren't covered with duct tape, they are covered with packing tape, a very thin, light plastic tape. Duct tape is thick and heavy, a completely different product from the very light packing tape, a plane covered with duct tape will be tremendously heavier and not fly nearly as well as one covered with the thin packing tape. The packing tape adds almost no weight to the finished plane, duct tape could easily outweigh the plane itself.

You can buy clear plastic packing tape at WalMart, its thicker and heavier than the color packing tapes, but it is serviceable and a good compromise if you don't have access to the color variety.

I HIGHLY recommend you don't use duct tape on your plane.
I will be using packing tape to cover the foamboards. I just mentioned duct tape because I'll still need to find it in white for joining and maybe covering up edges that might take a beating. When I need it I'll be getting it from Tape Brothers.
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