Originally Posted by alasas

Sounds like a really good deal to me.
Just the AR7200BX is $239.99 by itself.
So I would basically be paying $73.90 for the heli.

When you break it down like that, it seems like a bargain one can't afford to pass-up. Unfortunately, the multiple delays in shipping the unit have me concerned that there are technical problems. That, however is neither her nor there seeing that I really want this heli and it's paid for at this point.

Regards,
J.

Originally Posted by alasas

Sounds like a really good deal to me.
Just the AR7200BX is $239.99 by itself.
So I would basically be paying $73.90 for the heli.

The AR7200BX costs $198.69 at the same vendor.

But it seems HH has really messed it this time. When the 300X was announced, there were no real direct competitors. Now there is the Align 250DFC 3GX FBL combo which is due to shop soon at a price of $360.

The 3GX is garbage compared to the AR7200BX...People are replacing the 3GX with either the BeastX or the AR7200BX and are just about throwing out the 3GX unit because it is hard to resell a 3GX unit for over $50

Originally Posted by zadaw

The AR7200BX costs $198.69 at the same vendor.

But it seems HH has really messed it this time. When the 300X was announced, there were no real direct competitors. Now there is the Align 250DFC 3GX FBL combo which is due to shop soon at a price of $360.

...You will have to assemble the T-Rex 250 where as the 300 X is BNF. Having put together a T-Rex 250 SE I must say that those little parts are a challenge and I think these little helis are best purchased as BNF. IMHO

I do however, think that HH has "shot-themselves-in-the-foot" with all the delays. You just can't announce a product and let the competition get opportunity to put out a product in the same niche without suffering loss of market. This seems to be a characteristic of Horizon Hobby with it's products.

Regards,
J.

fwiw, this guy is satisfied with the 3GX:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...57&postcount=1

Originally Posted by zadaw

The AR7200BX costs $198.69 at the same vendor.

But it seems HH has really messed it this time. When the 300X was announced, there were no real direct competitors. Now there is the Align 250DFC 3GX FBL combo which is due to shop soon at a price of $360.

where you get align 250 DFC 3gx combo kit at $360.00. I saw one 250DFC combo kit at $360.00 but without 3gx. For the DFC kit include with 3gx, I saw it cost $480+

... though I don't want 3gx included with kit.

Originally Posted by wlee1017

where you get align 250 DFC 3gx combo kit at $360.00. I saw one 250DFC combo kit at $360.00 but without 3gx. For the DFC kit include with 3gx, I saw it cost $480+

... though I don't want 3gx included with kit.

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...rvos-CF-Blades

I checked and it does say it does include Align 3GX.

The reputation of the Align 3GX is not bad at all over here. All the vendors and pros I have talked to here do not understand why it has such as bad reputation in RCG and HF. The 3GX is definitely much harder to install and set up than the BeastX, but many pay anything from $50 to $300 to have FBL systems installed by professionals over her.

Originally Posted by zadaw

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...rvos-CF-Blades

I checked and it does say it does include Align 3GX.

The reputation of the Align 3GX is not bad at all over here. All the vendors and pros I have talked to here do not understand why it has such as bad reputation in RCG and HF. The 3GX is definitely much harder to install and set up than the BeastX, but many pay anything from $50 to $300 to have FBL systems installed by professionals over her.

thanks. 3gx is nothing wrong. I have some trex-600 and trex-700 use 3gx. However, I did mod on other 600 and 700 /w beastx, seems to me beastx outperform 3gx a bit.

I was looking at one of the 300x repair videos here:

Blade 300 X Rotor Head Repair (4 min 22 sec)

and it talks about "washout arms."

I thought I knew how a flybarless control system worked, but I am not familiar with that part. I have only 1 heli -- an mCPX -- and I don't think it has any washout arms.

I am familiar with washout on a plane wing, but I don't see how this is related.

Can anyone explain what those do?

Originally Posted by random13

I was looking at one of the 300x repair videos here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FcJHqoy4ns

and it talks about "washout arms."

I thought I knew how a flybarless control system worked, but I am not familiar with that part. I have only 1 heli -- an mCPX -- and I don't think it has any washout arms.

I am familiar with washout on a plane wing, but I don't see how this is related.

Can anyone explain what those do?

He's using bad terminology. There is no washout on the flybarless helicopter, since it doesn't have the flybar there is nothing to wash out. It's more properly called the swash driver, but it's basically the same piece as the washout block and arms on the normal setup, so that's why people call it that. It's actually serving a different function though. On 'normal' helicopters, the washout unit removes collective input and transfers cyclic to the flybar. Since we have no flybar, there is no wash out.

It is not related in any way to wing washout.

Originally Posted by zadaw

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...rvos-CF-Blades

I checked and it does say it does include Align 3GX.

The reputation of the Align 3GX is not bad at all over here. All the vendors and pros I have talked to here do not understand why it has such as bad reputation in RCG and HF. The 3GX is definitely much harder to install and set up than the BeastX, but many pay anything from $50 to $300 to have FBL systems installed by professionals over her.

I'm sure that bad reputation is left over from the old 3G system which did have problems.

Hobbymate now has a beast x clone that iw only 60 with great reviews thus far

Originally Posted by zadaw

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...rvos-CF-Blades

I checked and it does say it does include Align 3GX.

The reputation of the Align 3GX is not bad at all over here. All the vendors and pros I have talked to here do not understand why it has such as bad reputation in RCG and HF. The 3GX is definitely much harder to install and set up than the BeastX, but many pay anything from $50 to $300 to have FBL systems installed by professionals over her.

So you pay for 3GX system and then another $300 for someone to fine tune it for you. Until next crash or when you change servos/blades - you need another $300 for another tuning. Alternatively you pay once for µBeast and ... Yeah - that's it!

Now from my own experience - a young (relatively speaking - LOL) pilot with TRex 600n that came pre installed with 3GX and tuned by local shop specialists (actually I do believe that these people know what they are doing, but, not sure they'll have 10-20 flights just to make sure everything is alright). He (the pilot of Trex 600) was constantly unhappy with his 3GX. He doesn't have laptop or extra time to do tonnes of research and didn't really considered another 20 mile return trip just to talk to someone in the shop hoping they will do 'something with it'. He clenched his teeth and admitted to him self that he didn't choose the right path (people who are selling things have, most of the time, different agenda to those why are buying them) and forked another £160 for AR7200BX with satellite as 3GX got two DSM2 satellites only. I got the µBeast for him and we installed it together. I went to geometry setup and that was it. Day was bad and we couldn't organise to get together for the first flights in following days. So, he did first hover on him own and after that on next weekends started flying it. I didn't see him since but his brother is saying that now he can do much more than he was able with 3GX. With µBeast helicopter finally got predictable and stable - and for beginner (relatively speaking - pilot in question did inverted hover a few feet front of him only inches from the ground - now with µBeast and couldn't get anywhere near that with 3GX). Only thing he did, was to adjust tail gain (we couldn't do anything to it on the bench, could we?) and now helicopter flies fantastically (his brother relayed those words to me).

Now - for units that have retail price that is similar - their performance out of box is very different. And for 'non professionals' it makes night and day difference. Guy from the story is living example! And I have µBeasts on my 250, 450 and 500 helicopters and didn't need to do any extra tuning (aside of swash levelling) on all of those. Hm. I am lying - on 250 I had to move pot 1 to less and pot 3 to more - but I did it practically blindly and on suggestion form the manual. No computers or complicated fine tuning procedures.

Maybe that's why 3GX has bad reputation over µBeast.

You don't need any help to set up 3GX, that's just the way they do things over there. Lots of people with money and not the time to do things on their own.

Originally Posted by clicky

So you pay for 3GX system and then another $300 for someone to fine tune it for you. Until next crash or when you change servos/blades - you need another $300 for another tuning. Alternatively you pay once for µBeast and ... Yeah - that's it!

The $300 price I referred to was for a Vbar. The price is based on the number of hours required and varies individually. The 3GX and BeastX should be in the region of $50 to $100. The person who charges $300 is a full time professional instructor who used to compete in F3C. His clients fly the expensive stuff you can get Henseleit, Logo 600SE, Trex 700, Kasama, Globin, Shape S800 etc. Among his clients is the owner of a well known Internet rc heli vendor. Once it is set up, you won't need to go through the whole process again so that even if you hire him, the cost will not be as much.

There is a culture of dependency over here. Very few buys DIY furniture. Few know how to fix things inside their homes. Car owners don't know how to fill up their car with petrol, let alone maintain and repair their cars.