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Old Jan 30, 2012, 09:39 PM
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OK OK, I really need to know, is the Aquila XL NOS Legal?!

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I have tried to understand the back and forth e-mails on this issue and no one has made a DEFINITIVE answer to this question!

The Aquila XL was flown at a Canadian Championships back in 1977 if the information I have found is correct.

If the above is factual and the kit was published prior to 1980, is it legal for NOS flying? Yes or No?

TIA for THE answer!

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Old Jan 31, 2012, 05:53 AM
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To make it harder . . . .
Five instances were five different people have flown an XL prior to 1-1-1980.

I'll post a better pic of the data I have collected this evening.



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Thread,

I have tried to understand the back and forth e-mails on this issue and no one has made a DEFINITIVE answer to this question!

The Aquila XL was flown at a Canadian Championships back in 1977 if the information I have found is correct.

If the above is factual and the kit was published prior to 1980, is it legal for NOS flying? Yes or No?

TIA for THE answer!

Gambler

The rule is clear. It makes no difference if a plane was flown before the Nostalgia cut off date of Jan. 1 1980. What determines eligibility is if the plan was published in the open media, or a kit was commercially available before the cutoff date.

This thread does not belong in XC, I will request it be moved to a more appropriate forum.

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Old Jan 31, 2012, 05:23 PM
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Caption under the picture says the kit was available for $130 15 years ago when it was in production. The article was published the June 1992 issue of Model Builder in Bill Forrey's Soaring column.

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The rule is clear. It makes no difference if a plane was flown before the Nostalgia cut off date of Jan. 1 1980. What determines eligibility is if the plan was published in the open media, or a kit was commercially available before the cutoff date.

This thread does not belong in XC, I will request it be moved to a more appropriate forum.

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Ummmm. OK why is this NOT the appropriate forum?! Its an XC bird. Maybe its not a $3000.00 plane from Skip Miller or somewhere in Europe, but people who fly XC know planes such as the Aquila XL.

From what I have seen, the plane was printed as a plan and sold PRIOR to 1980 and therefore it IS legal.

If I were denied its use in an AMA sanctioned event, I would petition my regional AMA contest director and if the plane wasn't allowed, I will QUIT the AMA and take my membership dues, and Aquila XL to LSF or some other organization.

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Caption under the picture says the kit was available for $130 15 years ago when it was in production. The article was published the June 1992 issue of Model Builder in Bill Forrey's Soaring column.

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Thank you Joe!

I will print this out along with other documentation showing CLEARLY the Aquila XL was available prior to 1980.

It appears to me, that many of Lee Renault's designs are being discriminated against, when they clearly were available prior to the cut off date. I think it comes down to many people not being able to get their hands on these classics and therefore they are playing games in their attempts to ban them. Just my opinion.

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I thought this had been taken care of and accepted this past year somewhere along the way?

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Ummmm. OK why is this NOT the appropriate forum?! Its an XC bird. Maybe its not a $3000.00 plane from Skip Miller or somewhere in Europe, but people who fly XC know planes such as the Aquila XL.

From what I have seen, the plane was printed as a plan and sold PRIOR to 1980 and therefore it IS legal.

If I were denied its use in an AMA sanctioned event, I would petition my regional AMA contest director and if the plane wasn't allowed, I will QUIT the AMA and take my membership dues, and Aquila XL to LSF or some other organization.

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Simple, you're talking about Nostalgia, not XC. What you've seen is nice, but documentation is king. You seem to be drawing a pretty hard line in the sand. It's your right, but not a very productive one. If the rules as they exist don't make sense to you, there is a very well defined mechanism to change them. Do something about it instead of complaining.
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I started flying in 1977 and remember seeing multiple Aquila XL's at the Harbor Soaring Society field, Gordon Ritschke in the above photo and Frank Chasteler were flying them. But what needs to be done is get the PROOF that the plans were published prior to the cutoff date, problem is, were they actually published and/or was the XL only available to locals in SoCal and not really sold on the open market.
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I started flying in 1977 and remember seeing multiple Aquila XL's at the Harbor Soaring Society field, Gordon Ritschke in the above photo and Frank Chasteler were flying them. But what needs to be done is get the PROOF that the plans were published prior to the cutoff date, problem is, were they actually published and/or was the XL only available to locals in SoCal and not really sold on the open market.
Well if the article was published in 1992, and the kit sold for $150, 15 years earlier (plans and kit were published), 1992 - 15 = 1977 < 1980. QED

So is the 1992 article a forgery? I will need to get the magazine it came from...

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Old Feb 01, 2012, 09:18 PM
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Tim Renaud and family are still around, and should have magazine and publicity articles
of all their kits ??? has anyone ever contacted them ??

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I'll save the trouble.

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Is this not acceptable by the A.M.A. ??

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Old Feb 02, 2012, 06:53 AM
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One more time for those that don't read the rules. Proof of published plans or a commercial kit is required, not an article suggesting what may have been.

Do you really believe everything as absolute truth that is published in a magazine or newpaper?
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Old Feb 03, 2012, 09:35 AM
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It's not legal. Gordon Pierson (one of the lead guy's on the development team) and Tim Renaud have both said the plane does not meet the letter of the law. Gordon and I both tried to find data to substantiate the plan but failed.

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