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Old May 21, 2012, 05:40 PM
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tools are tools... the all have their place and purpose..

FPV, ATT, GPS and such.... but none of the should replace the ability to fly the rig without those tools.

Yep, Naze32 updates are firmware..... not hardware

but Gary and Andrey have said they will preconfigure the ones they sell to be tuned for the gimbal so waiting for it could be nice. That being said, i bought 2
once kalman filtering is done, naze32 as currently stand should be fine. we are also looking at hardware fix as well. we will see. why it probably is best to wait.
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Old May 21, 2012, 05:46 PM
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once kalman filtering is done, naze32 as currently stand should be fine. we are also looking at hardware fix as well. we will see. why it probably is best to wait.
I know this is a stupid question because if you knew the answer you would have said it... any rough guesstimate on a time frame?
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Old May 21, 2012, 06:48 PM
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we should have something to report on later this week on the controller board. actual firmware on this board is bit up in the air. AHRS implementation is ongoing, but taking time to debug. meanwhile we are still very busy with bunch of other stuff.
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Old May 21, 2012, 07:54 PM
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Wingbreaker, have you try to fly without the gimbal servos connected to the FC? Strap the roll axis so it won't move and try to find the source of vibration from there?
I saw this video (
DJI wookong m test flight (4 min 4 sec)
) from the wkm thread, a hard mounted gopro on dji hexa I think, this what looks like a well tuned setup can do. Just a suggestion.
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Old May 21, 2012, 08:27 PM
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this video shows exactly what I am meaning..... that rig is super smooth in manual mode... and when in ATT and GPS+ATT you see little twitches....

great video for educational purposes....


that is the best example i have seen of a WKM doing smooth FF that is good enough for AP work....

when he pushes forward on the stick to do FF in GPS+ATT mode there is a little twitch forward and backwards.....when he is in manual mode it is super smooth...

now we need to see him "test" a Naza.

perhaps i am seeing things... but i dont think so
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Old May 21, 2012, 08:49 PM
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for FFF/wider shot, you should be using normal mode. but for more controlled flight at lesser speed in windy condition is where Att mode is really good. that video is cool, but for most of what people do for money, you are at lot closer in and at lower speed. there are time for higher speed, and most of those will require fpv. there are always room for more learning.
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Old May 21, 2012, 09:08 PM
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Wingbreaker, have you try to fly without the gimbal servos connected to the FC? Strap the roll axis so it won't move and try to find the source of vibration from there?
I saw this video (http://vimeo.com/41956069) from the wkm thread, a hard mounted gopro on dji hexa I think, this what looks like a well tuned setup can do. Just a suggestion.
the issue isn't vibration with my gimbal it is the gimbal controller. I can get smooth in manual and in att with a hard mounted go pro. Also we've been have 20mph winds here daily. I have some gigs the next few days so i won't be able to fly. thursday ill do some manual mode go pro flying for you guys. I don't think the strapping the roll down and flying will help at all as it will not solve any gimbal control issues. A gimbal controller should compensate for that, keep the camera on the horizon.

some evening testing with stabilization in post:

Untitled (3 min 16 sec)
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Old May 21, 2012, 09:18 PM
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funny i was just flying in the same 20mph gusts.... trying manual v. ATT v. GPS + ATT

still need to learn how to tune the WKM better ......
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Old May 21, 2012, 09:21 PM
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but were you shooting video in it? i can fly in it no prob. these things are awesome in the wind but you still get knocked around
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Old May 21, 2012, 09:24 PM
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nope.... (hell compared to you I can never shoot video ) i am ironing out tuning the WKM before adding anything else back on to it... no FPV gear no camera and no gimbal control..

probably Thursday or Saturday i will try and configure the CC board as my gimbal controller and see how that works out.

I can tell you that with just adjusting the gains (WKM has more to adjust) that the HFpro on the exact same rig handled wind better.... but that is so subjective..... and qualitative.
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Old May 21, 2012, 09:29 PM
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also, ddmt, vibration will cause lines/waves in the video. vibration is definitely not an issue. banging and rapid movement (wobble) is what causes jello. it is sorting out the gimble control and, yes, maybe playing with gains more but the thing is so steady no matter what mode. I don't think anyone has gotten perfect stabilization on a dji before besides hard mount a camera to the very center, anyone can do that. but then you get props and legs in the video, thats no good for production.
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Old May 21, 2012, 09:50 PM
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this is major reason for going away from DJI for gimbal control. we've already been through all this. lol we did get side tracked with flying mode though


I am busy building up my Y. this will be special prototype I am doing as part of 2kg work.. mostly exercise to see how light I can get a Y to with 350gm camera. some of the weight saving work will trickle in to other products. I am curious how well it will fly though.
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Old May 21, 2012, 10:18 PM
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same footage without post stabilization
test 2 (3 min 16 sec)
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Old May 21, 2012, 10:32 PM
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. lol we did get side tracked with flying mode though

Thats what I'm good for
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Old May 21, 2012, 10:43 PM
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there is also this bit of trick to doing video in heavy gust. try to do you shot into or with the wind as much as possible. (being with the wind being the smoothest) sometimes you have to fly backward toward you and reverse it for some of the shots. (now, this is more for static stuff where you can reverse the video) also, straight flight is still the best with panning being the worst. overall, you can really hear the wind. in most cases, you really cannot shoot that much once wind goes over 20mph. and even if you can, you really have to be smart to get most out of the situation.
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