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Old Jun 11, 2012, 08:59 AM
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I've been working on this one lately. I'm with Jimbo, I can't seem to wrap my head around the belly in hover. The low wing always gets the rudder but it's opposite of top in. Top in wing on your right gets right rudder, bottom in, wing on your right gets left rudder. My brain understands this but can't seem to translate it to my hand. I don't have a problem with inverted flight, but can't seem to grasp this one for some reason.

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When you say your ok with inverted flight do you use the rudder a lot on your turns or do you tend to go back to aileron elevator turns? This can be the key to get used to using the rudder in the reverse orientation, at least it was for me. I found doing inverted harriers starting away out and flying back towards myself easiest to start off with then when feeling more confident set it into a circuit and try and keep it going all the way round. The next move is once its come round the circuit in one direction try to switch to a circuit in the opposite direction so you end up doing a figure of eight. I found doing this it got me used to using the rudder inverted in all orientations.

The other way is as has been said is the sim but consider using the hover training mode if it has one. You should be able to select to control rudder only or maybe just throttle and rudder and set the orientation to belly in.

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Old Jun 11, 2012, 09:42 AM
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When you say your ok with inverted flight do you use the rudder a lot on your turns or do you tend to go back to aileron elevator turns? This can be the key to get used to using the rudder in the reverse orientation, at least it was for me.
No, I have no trouble flying inverted harriers, inverted figure eights in both directions using the rudder (my CY needs opposite aileron to stay flat inverted)
Which is why the belly in hover is frustrating, for some reason muscle memory just takes over as if I'm hovering top in. I know I'll eventually get it but it's taking longer than I expected (wanted )

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Old Jun 11, 2012, 01:50 PM
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Funny I can do inverted circuits with the rudder, but can't get the belly prop hang, or four point rolls apart from left roll towards you.
What sim has a hover training mode?
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 08:06 PM
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I've RealFlight 6 and downloaded the crack yak from KnifeEdge swap page. The real Crack is pretty close to the sim Crack. Coming from fly heli, I don't have problem with flying the Crack straight at me and at the last possible second pull back on the elev and pump the throttle to get the plane into a belly in hover.

Heli and plane both have the same right stick movement (mode 2 here in the US). Pulling the elev (right stick) down, pulls the nose of the plane towards the canopy and pushing the elev forward pushes the nose towards the landing gear.
As for the rudder, when belly in hover, move the rudder in the same direction as the dropping wing and it will straight out the plane.

There is one last common thing when flying 3d, both heli and plane, you must quick move the stick to get the plane to react and then neutralize the stick unless the particular 3d move required holding the stick in a particular position for extended period, of course with minute adjustments.

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Old Jun 12, 2012, 11:30 AM
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I've RealFlight 6 and downloaded the crack yak from KnifeEdge swap page. The real Crack is pretty close to the sim Crack. Coming from fly heli, I don't have problem with flying the Crack straight at me and at the last possible second pull back on the elev and pump the throttle to get the plane into a belly in hover.
I'm glad to hear you think the sim Crack Yak is pretty close.
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 01:11 PM
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As for the rudder, when belly in hover, move the rudder in the same direction as the dropping wing and it will straight out the plane.
Yes,comma,but,however, the stick movement is opposite that of canopy in hover. Top in, right wing drops to pilot's right right rudder brings it back, but belly in the wing (left) dropping to the pilot's right requires left rudder. After years of hovering canopy in, my left stick seems to have a mind of its own

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Old Jun 12, 2012, 05:51 PM
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Just ordered mine today

I fly outside, any power combo's and lipo's recommendations?

Thanks !
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 08:08 PM
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Just ordered mine today

I fly outside, any power combo's and lipo's recommendations?

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Old Jun 13, 2012, 09:52 AM
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Finally hovered decently

This is why I bought this plane. I had tried hovering previously and always mangled it. I have only had 3 sessions on this plane and was always coping with a lot of wind. Last night for the first time I managed some decent looking hovers. I managed to work my way down a little instead of always working upward slowly. I came home from the local field and the wind had died completely. I did some practice in my smallish front yard and had no trouble at all. Anyway, just wanted to tell someone. I need to work on belly-in now.
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Old Jun 13, 2012, 11:41 AM
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Old Jun 13, 2012, 12:43 PM
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Old Jun 13, 2012, 12:45 PM
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Yes,comma,but,however, the stick movement is opposite that of canopy in hover. Top in, right wing drops to pilot's right right rudder brings it back, but belly in the wing (left) dropping to the pilot's right requires left rudder. After years of hovering canopy in, my left stick seems to have a mind of its own

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It just take time to get passed your instinct to react and retrain your left thumb. But then you woun't be able to hover canopy facing you anymore!
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Old Jun 13, 2012, 12:53 PM
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It just take time to get passed your instinct to react and retrain your left thumb. But then you woun't be able to hover canopy facing you anymore!
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haha so true.. Same thing when you start doing rolling circles in the opposite direction of what you learned. You forget how to do it the original direction.
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Old Jun 13, 2012, 04:06 PM
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It just take time to get passed your instinct to react and retrain your left thumb. But then you woun't be able to hover canopy facing you anymore!
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So true

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Old Jun 13, 2012, 04:19 PM
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Ok, so everyone egrees stock set up on 3S? I been waiting to order my power combo
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