Oct 18, 2012, 01:07 PM
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by ggcrandall1 Member Name ggcrandall1 Lipoly Mfr & Model Gens Ace 4S 4300 30C Capacity 5300 C rating 30 Age (months) 1 Cycles 1 Cell IR 1.8 Temp 72.5 Equipment PL6 FOM 1.9 Max Cont. A 129 True C 24

Do you have some numbers mixed up somehow? you list the battery as a 4300 but then say its a 5300.
Even then with a cell IR of 1.8 the 4300 would come out at FOM1.55 , MaxA120 and a true 28C
At 5300 it would be FOM1.26, MaxA133 and a true 25C.
Oct 18, 2012, 01:37 PM
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by Aviefly quoted from the database thread. Do you have some numbers mixed up somehow? you list the battery as a 4300 but then say its a 5300. Even then with a cell IR of 1.8 the 4300 would come out at FOM1.55 , MaxA120 and a true 28C At 5300 it would be FOM1.26, MaxA133 and a true 25C.
Typo.

5300mah
1.9 mohm
FOM = 1.19
Max current = 129
True C = 21

Glen
 Oct 19, 2012, 12:14 AM Birds do it, bees do it Australia, WA, Perth Joined Feb 2003 832 Posts Just a quick question. How sensitive are IR measurements to temperature? I've noticed some of the measurements in the database are done at temps ranging from 70f to 75f. Is there a large distortion comparing the True C of a battery measured at 70f to another at 75f?
 Oct 19, 2012, 12:29 AM Registered User So. Cal. Joined Oct 2004 9,734 Posts Lipoly performance is definitely temperature dependent. Any modelers who fly in the winter or cooler climates can certainly attest to this fact. It's for this reason that I specifically requested in post #2 of the data thread that measurements be taken within 2 degrees of 72F (or within 1 degree of 22C). Within this narrow range, internal resistance does not vary much but I still requested that the temperature be noted so that the posted data would be of most value to the reader. Mark
 Oct 19, 2012, 05:41 PM That's a funny word NE Ohio Joined Apr 2003 3,720 Posts nice diagrams in post 2 and 3.
 Oct 20, 2012, 05:20 PM That's a funny word NE Ohio Joined Apr 2003 3,720 Posts When looking for "cell damage,degradation,increased IR" is it more likely that it will show up at higher temps or lower temps? How about high voltage or low voltage? I'm reading mine with i-charger so I read only 1mv increments. I 'think" I know the answer should be at the lowest temp and voltage since the IR is going to read the highest under those conditions.
 Oct 20, 2012, 08:05 PM Registered User So. Cal. Joined Oct 2004 9,734 Posts It's generally easiest to track performance over time by being as absolutely consistent as possible with respect to measurement temperature. Charge state does not matter much at all as long as the pack has had the opportunity to stabilize. I typically measure at storage voltage (3.8-3.9 volt/cell) as I do not like to leave my packs at full charge any longer than necessary. Fortunately, my living room is typically with 1-2 degrees of 72 F so maintaining a consistent test temperature is easy for me. If your packs are truly degrading, the 1mOhm resolution of your iCharger will be more than sufficient to tell you this, unless your packs are huge (>5000mAh). Mark
 Oct 25, 2012, 08:03 AM Registered User Land O' Lakes, FL Joined Aug 2003 938 Posts I have been spot checking my HAIYIN packs IR during charging. So far, NONE has exceeded 1.0! When compared with my hyperions and various Hobbyking packs, the HAIYINs are MUCH lower in internal resistance. Just one more reason I have totally switched to HAIYIN for all new pack purchases.
 Oct 25, 2012, 08:42 AM Suspended Account Greenland Joined Mar 2012 9,069 Posts Where do you buy them?
Oct 25, 2012, 11:27 AM
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by JohnathanSwift Where do you buy them?
www.haiyinstore.com

Be sure to select USA Warehouse if you are in the US or European Warehouse if you are in Europe. Other countries can use HONG KONG Warehouse.
Oct 25, 2012, 04:49 PM
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by sailr I have been spot checking my HAIYIN packs IR during charging. So far, NONE has exceeded 1.0! When compared with my hyperions and various Hobbyking packs, the HAIYINs are MUCH lower in internal resistance. Just one more reason I have totally switched to HAIYIN for all new pack purchases.
Sounds very committed.

Out of curiosity, what's the capacity of these cells with a <1mOhm IR?
Oct 26, 2012, 08:03 AM
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4S 5000 30C and 40C packs, 4S 2650 packs, and 6S 5000 packs.

Quote:
 Originally Posted by H2SO4 Sounds very committed. Out of curiosity, what's the capacity of these cells with a <1mOhm IR?
Oct 26, 2012, 08:14 AM
christian theme park operator
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by sailr 4S 5000 30C and 40C packs, 4S 2650 packs, and 6S 5000 packs.
Even the 2650mAh cells boast IR less than 1 milliohm?
 Oct 26, 2012, 08:26 AM Registered User Land O' Lakes, FL Joined Aug 2003 938 Posts Yes, the 2650's I have checked were below or right at 1.0 mOhm
Oct 26, 2012, 09:04 AM
christian theme park operator
Australia, New South Wales, Sydney
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by sailr Yes, the 2650's I have checked were below or right at 1.0 mOhm
That would give them a FOM of 4.53, a max current rating of 126A, and a 48 'true' C. A record, I believe.

What are you using to measure IR?