I got all the tasks done a few times for L5 but Catahoula Leopard dog ate the
forms out of the mail box each time I'd try to send them in.

Does that still count? :-)

Gordy

Hey Edgar,

I flew with you and a bunch of your friends a couple of years ago, I would say that if you win against the bunch you fly with it should count. Of course I do not see any of them laying down and doing you any favors. They were nice to an out of towner though and let me take home 3rd place wood flying a borrowed airplane. Could have beat you but did not know how to land. )

See Ya,

Pat McCleave
Wichita, KS

Ps, Was I the only one that knew Edgar was joking about his buddies letting him win.

>
> From: Flying High <tdboy_10@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2003/10/07 Tue PM 01:19:26 EDT
> To: exchange <soaring@airage.com>
> Subject: [RCSE] LSF 5 question... give me your verdict!
>
> Question to all the folks out there in glider land.
>
> I'm currently working on completing my LSF level 5 tasks
> and I'm stuck around the 3 contest wins that I need.
>
> Question... if I hold my own contest with some of my fellow
> glider pilots(more than 30 pilots), and I win by them doing
> me a favor of beating them... would this still count as one
> of the wins I need? Do I need an official rep. or witness
> from LSF board so this contest can be counted as a real
> thing? Or do I need to submit the TD skill set of everyone
> entered so this contest won't be frowned upon?
>
> I'm just trying to join the ranks of the elite LSF 5
> brothers....
>
> Please, no private messages are in order... i'd like to
> hear everyone's opinion on this one. Let's all get the
> facts straight as this LSF status is something most of us
> are shooting for.
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Edgar
> "The Soaring Junkie"
>
>
>
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<Question... if I hold my own contest with some of my fellow
<glider pilots(more than 30 pilots), and I win by them doing
<me a favor of beating them... would this still count as one
<of the wins I need? Do I need an official rep. or witness
<from LSF board so this contest can be counted as a real
<thing? Or do I need to submit the TD skill set of everyone
<entered so this contest won't be frowned upon?

<I'm just trying to join the ranks of the elite LSF 5
<brothers.... >
-The Soaring Junkie
-------------------------------------

I'm not even in the LSF program and this ticks me off, wonder what the guys
that spent the time and achieved the goals think of this.

I like contests because they're a great way to improve your skills, if you
think of them as a learning opportunity. When people beat me, I analyze why.
Was it Soaring ability, or landing skills, or luck, or equipment, or draw of
air? or something else? I enjoy competing with Joe, Daryl, and other highly
accomplished pilots. These are the pilots that insure that I'll have another
"learning" opportunity. So, I don't enjoy flying with people that I
consistently beat (not the case). So, having the other competitors let you
win is very alien.

You asked for our open opinion and here's mine:

Edgar, you need to continue to get your butt kicked until you start to
figure out why it is your getting beat and continue to hone your skills
until you can win the constests.

I feel you have good landing skills and have spent nearly all your time
practicing landings. You need to work on thermaling skills until you are
comfortable that you don't have to rely on sand bagging and poaching to get
your flight times. Once you round out your skills the trophies, and LSF 5,
will come.

Mark
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Edgar,

Sounds like your trying to find 19 chumps to fly at your "contest". In
my mind, the goal of earning the Level V is not about the
accomplishment, but the "journey" it took to get there. You need to
experience as many 2nd place's and 19 contestant wins to really feel the
pain. IMHO, you are just at the start of your journey. Be patient weed
hopper...

Steve Siebenaler - Just one silly win from Level V
Cincinnati, Ohio USA



-----Original Message-----
From: Flying High [mailto:tdboy_10@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:19 PM
To: exchange
Subject: [RCSE] LSF 5 question... give me your verdict!


Question to all the folks out there in glider land.

I'm currently working on completing my LSF level 5 tasks
and I'm stuck around the 3 contest wins that I need.

Question... if I hold my own contest with some of my fellow glider
pilots(more than 30 pilots), and I win by them doing me a favor of
beating them... would this still count as one of the wins I need? Do I
need an official rep. or witness from LSF board so this contest can be
counted as a real thing? Or do I need to submit the TD skill set of
everyone entered so this contest won't be frowned upon?

I'm just trying to join the ranks of the elite LSF 5 brothers....

Please, no private messages are in order... i'd like to
hear everyone's opinion on this one. Let's all get the
facts straight as this LSF status is something most of us
are shooting for.

Thanks for your time,

Edgar
"The Soaring Junkie"



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Hey Steve,

I know just what Edgar needs!! He needs to come east and fly in a couple
of the ESL contests so he can get a few 'easy' wins for his LSF Level V.

But actually, the LSF rules do allow for just what Edgar is proposing. He
can get 20 or more flyers together and hold a contest and win. Depending on
who your friends are that could be quite a feat, or it could be a cake walk.

RB

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Siebenaler" <ssiebenaler@cinci.rr.com>
To: "'exchange'" <soaring@airage.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 7:03 PM
Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF 5 question... give me your verdict!


> Edgar,
>
> Sounds like your trying to find 19 chumps to fly at your "contest". In
> my mind, the goal of earning the Level V is not about the
> accomplishment, but the "journey" it took to get there. You need to
> experience as many 2nd place's and 19 contestant wins to really feel the
> pain. IMHO, you are just at the start of your journey. Be patient weed
> hopper...
>
> Steve Siebenaler - Just one silly win from Level V
> Cincinnati, Ohio USA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Flying High [mailto:tdboy_10@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:19 PM
> To: exchange
> Subject: [RCSE] LSF 5 question... give me your verdict!
>
>
> Question to all the folks out there in glider land.
>
> I'm currently working on completing my LSF level 5 tasks
> and I'm stuck around the 3 contest wins that I need.
>
> Question... if I hold my own contest with some of my fellow glider
> pilots(more than 30 pilots), and I win by them doing me a favor of
> beating them... would this still count as one of the wins I need? Do I
> need an official rep. or witness from LSF board so this contest can be
> counted as a real thing? Or do I need to submit the TD skill set of
> everyone entered so this contest won't be frowned upon?
>
> I'm just trying to join the ranks of the elite LSF 5 brothers....
>
> Please, no private messages are in order... i'd like to
> hear everyone's opinion on this one. Let's all get the
> facts straight as this LSF status is something most of us
> are shooting for.
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Edgar
> "The Soaring Junkie"
>
>
>
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Edgar,

If you want it that bad ;^( then just say you are. (of
course we will ALL know you aren't) Just suck it up, step
up to the winch and do it the old fashioned way "Earn it".

Pete Olsen
Fellow SWSA Member

-----Original Message-----
From: Flying High [mailto:tdboy_10@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:19 AM
To: exchange
Subject: [RCSE] LSF 5 question... give me your verdict!


Question to all the folks out there in glider land.

I'm currently working on completing my LSF level 5 tasks
and I'm stuck around the 3 contest wins that I need.

Question... if I hold my own contest with some of my fellow
glider pilots(more than 30 pilots), and I win by them doing
me a favor of beating them... would this still count as one
of the wins I need? Do I need an official rep. or witness
from LSF board so this contest can be counted as a real
thing? Or do I need to submit the TD skill set of everyone
entered so this contest won't be frowned upon?

I'm just trying to join the ranks of the elite LSF 5
brothers....

Please, no private messages are in order... i'd like to
hear everyone's opinion on this one. Let's all get the
facts straight as this LSF status is something most of us
are shooting for.

Thanks for your time,

Edgar
"The Soaring Junkie"



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Edgar: Host all the contests you wish. You are not allowed to restrict
entries to selected contestants in order for it to be an LSF eligible
contest. If you get 20+ entries in SoCal, there will be enough of us to
keep you from having a 'gimme'. And I can absolutely tell everyone that
none of us will roll over like Ford Explorer with a flat tire. Bring it on!
"I don't need no stinkin' Ava."

Wiggle your sticks
David Judson
Riverside, CA
LSF Level II

-----Original Message-----
From: Flying High [mailto:tdboy_10@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:19 AM
To: exchange
Subject: [RCSE] LSF 5 question... give me your verdict!


Question to all the folks out there in glider land.

I'm currently working on completing my LSF level 5 tasks
and I'm stuck around the 3 contest wins that I need.

Question... if I hold my own contest with some of my fellow
glider pilots(more than 30 pilots), and I win by them doing
me a favor of beating them... would this still count as one
of the wins I need?


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Edgar won Visalia a couple of years ago and is an incredible contest pilot.
I think it was done a bit tongue-in-cheek, but he probably just wanted to
find out the actual requirements for a Level V win. Edgar does have
morality and a clear conscience. He really is a great guy, if you don't
mind getting beat by a good pilot.

David Judson
Riverside, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Taylor


I'm not even in the LSF program and this ticks me off, wonder what the guys
that spent the time and achieved the goals think of this.
<snip>
Edgar, you need to continue to get your butt kicked until you start to
figure out why it is your getting beat and continue to hone your skills
until you can win the constests.<snip>



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