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Old Jan 20, 2013, 09:10 PM
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I have to say I really like this camera. I've been using it for about a month now and have mostly replaced my GoPro with it. Even though the GoPro can do better video (not to say this does'nt do great) this camera out preforms it in most other areas, and produces's an excellent video. Its lighter and cheaper(a lot cheaper) and you can get replacement parts for it. I payed a fortune for my GoPro and if it gets damaged it's done.

Thank you for making this camera what it is.

I only have one for now but will be getting some more.

I pulled these from one of my flight videos from today.
Pretty high up or pretty low clouds (or both!). It could be hazy up there, but at first glance, it looks like your images could be a little sharper if you wanted to attempt refocusing your lens. It's not uncommon for them to be biased for the near field of view rather than very distant scenes like AV captures.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 12:56 AM
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Anyone interested to participate in upcoming discussions regarding Android Configuration Assistant, please send me an email with subject: Android

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For all those who have already done so, there is no need to send another email.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 01:53 AM
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Just wanted to give an update on my slight interference issues using vid out from the #16 v2 with a directly soldered wire...
By moving the wire further away from the board, I eliminate all the interference EXCEPT when it starts recording... Once recording starts there is some slight interference....
I could try a different type of wire perhaps...
But it will be a hassle to unmount the cam from the micro quad and resolder...currently it's livable..
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 01:54 AM
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I still get some slight vibration on my camera.. Mostly coz I have taken out the case and the camera is "fixed" to the board only with insulation tape... It is fixed ok but is slightly "wiggly" with the board being fixed hard to the frame, anyone have any tips for this?
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 02:04 AM
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For my #16 camera, i have installed the latest firmware (v0.67 MOV FW) but the video seems to be a little bit foggy/ fade...which make the images a little bit low in colour.

Is there any fix for that or is it normal. My camera is installed with red lens.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 02:07 AM
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I would try mounting the cam at a slight downward angle to stop the picture from going dark all the time,,shouldnt need too much angle and wont loose too much sky from the pic,,have any of you guys tried this ? whats the magic angle ?
I've tried aiming downwards before but I prefer aiming at horzion more. On this one, I deliberately mount the cam aiming at horizon espeically for sunset footage because I want as dark as possible to not have the beautiful red sky washed out. I deliberately took the screenshots when the image was the darkest for that reason.

Even not for sunset recording, I still prefer aiming at horizon. I don't mind the objects on the ground a bit dark when the aircraft is aiming at the horizon and the objects turn brighter when I'm aiming below horizon.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 02:26 AM
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Update

I've ordered the #16 Keychain Camera and I was wondering if I will need to do a firmware update on it or will it have the newest update already installed in it. Thanks.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 02:37 AM
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I've ordered the #16 Keychain Camera and I was wondering if I will need to do a firmware update on it or will it have the newest update already installed in it. Thanks.
Nobody can tell you for sure, but since the 0.67 firmware has been out for a while you may be lucky. You'll almost certainly want to update the date and time, so when you receive your camera, just fire up the GUI and connect your camera. The GUI will tell you which firmware version is installed and you may want to modify some parameters while you are at it. Otherwise, just save the data, which will automatically synchronize the date and time to that of your PC.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 05:29 AM
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Pretty high up or pretty low clouds (or both!). It could be hazy up there, but at first glance, it looks like your images could be a little sharper if you wanted to attempt refocusing your lens. It's not uncommon for them to be biased for the near field of view rather than very distant scenes like AV captures.
I snatched them out of the video instead of of snapshot and it messed up the detail. If I get a chance I post some of the video. It looked much better in the video.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 05:36 AM
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From time to time I receive emails about various subjects. For everyone's benefit, these are answers to the most frequently asked questions.

First, the bad news:
USB communication on Mac OS X and CA on iPad/iPhone: unfortunately there will not be any CA version with USB communication on any Apple product

And then, the good news:
CA with USB communication on Android: following several requests, I am looking into it again. I am currently finalizing an Android preview 2B-mini GUI with full-features USB communication. It should be available for download soon; stay tuned...
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 05:44 AM
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In the new version of the firmware the low battery sign seems to come on at around 3.8v (in vid out mode)

Is that the norm for most people?

Does anyone know how what the lvc is .. Ie at what voltage it will cutout?

Any chance in the next firmware release to make it configurable as at what voltage to get the low voltage message (and for how long it should display - and where on the screen)?
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 07:44 AM
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In the new version of the firmware the low battery sign seems to come on at around 3.8v (in vid out mode)

Is that the norm for most people?

Does anyone know how what the lvc is .. Ie at what voltage it will cutout?

Any chance in the next firmware release to make it configurable as at what voltage to get the low voltage message (and for how long it should display - and where on the screen)?
The camera will turn off when the voltage falls to approx. 3.5V (see here). Depending on the age of the battery it will take longer or shorter to reach this figure. The developer decided on a "safe" value so you have just enough time to land when flying fpv.

Theoretically it would be possible to define a whole bunch of additional parameters, especially relating to the icons on the TV-Out signal. This would, however, greatly increase the complexity of the firmware and the configuration program. I believe the line has to be drawn somewhere, but I'm sure the developer will take note of all suggestions. More parameters also equals more bug possibilities. Adding even more values than are already available would only confuse the majority of users.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 08:09 AM
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The camera will turn off when the voltage falls to approx. 3.5V (see here). Depending on the age of the battery it will take longer or shorter to reach this figure. The developer decided on a "safe" value so you have just enough time to land when flying fpv.

Theoretically it would be possible to define a whole bunch of additional parameters, especially relating to the icons on the TV-Out signal. This would, however, greatly increase the complexity of the firmware and the configuration program. I believe the line has to be drawn somewhere, but I'm sure the developer will take note of all suggestions. More parameters also equals more bug possibilities. Adding even more values than are already available would only confuse the majority of users.
Just to back up your observations:-
It cant really work any lower than 3.5V before it turns off as most memory cards are 3.3V write voltage. Any lower and their will be a failed write to the card potentially loosing your video footage and damaging the card with a failed write command. As the card takes more current in the "writing mode", 3.5V is the safest minimum without incurring a voltage drop lower than 3.3 at the card itself.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 10:18 AM
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In the new version of the firmware the low battery sign seems to come on at around 3.8v (in vid out mode)

Is that the norm for most people?

Does anyone know how what the lvc is .. Ie at what voltage it will cutout?

Any chance in the next firmware release to make it configurable as at what voltage to get the low voltage message (and for how long it should display - and where on the screen)?
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The camera will turn off when the voltage falls to approx. 3.5V (see here). Depending on the age of the battery it will take longer or shorter to reach this figure. The developer decided on a "safe" value so you have just enough time to land when flying fpv.

Theoretically it would be possible to define a whole bunch of additional parameters, especially relating to the icons on the TV-Out signal. This would, however, greatly increase the complexity of the firmware and the configuration program. I believe the line has to be drawn somewhere, but I'm sure the developer will take note of all suggestions. More parameters also equals more bug possibilities. Adding even more values than are already available would only confuse the majority of users.
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Just to back up your observations:-
It cant really work any lower than 3.5V before it turns off as most memory cards are 3.3V write voltage. Any lower and their will be a failed write to the card potentially loosing your video footage and damaging the card with a failed write command. As the card takes more current in the "writing mode", 3.5V is the safest minimum without incurring a voltage drop lower than 3.3 at the card itself.
The 3.5V might be a typo... I remembered it as being measured at 3.7V, which as I recall was measured at the battery wire terminals (Isoprop's link to his extensive camera power post actually mentions 3.7V in the Internal Battery paragraph). During my brief FW testing with a healthy internal battery, the FW was tweaked to get the alert to come on about 1 minute before the camera actually shut down, which I think is reasonable. This will vary somewhat with different batteries, of course, depending on their voltage decay rate.

FWIW, the graphics chip in the camera generates large icons on it's own for a variety of video-out functions, including a large "low battery" sign which obliterates about 80% of the display area! The developer has put a lot of effort into eliminating the unnecessary camera icons from the display, and getting a small size low battery alert that doesn't block a significant part of the image and comes on with a reasonable advance warning to get an aircraft on the ground. There's only so much configuration that can be reasonably done with firmware given the hardware in the camera, and I think we are at that point. While it would be nice to have all the bells and whistle that satisfy everyone's personal preferences, I don't think its possible. The firmware is already quite bloated.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 11:40 AM
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The 3.5V might be a typo... I remembered it as being measured at 3.7V, which as I recall was measured at the battery wire terminals (Isoprop's link to his extensive camera power post actually mentions 3.7V in the Internal Battery paragraph). During my brief FW testing with a healthy internal battery, the FW was tweaked to get the alert to come on about 1 minute before the camera actually shut down, which I think is reasonable. This will vary somewhat with different batteries, of course, depending on their voltage decay rate.

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I just confirmed that 3.5V cutoff is dead on. About 10 seconds before the camera turned off I captured some brief voltage "spikes" down to 3.48V during 10 frames. Most of the time the meter showed between 3.49V and 3.51V. The last captured frame showed 3.50V!

I'll correct the 3.7V in the power post. It is definitely not correct or maybe was measured with V1, I don't know. Anyway, 3.5V is correct with V2.
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