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Old Nov 05, 2012, 02:11 PM
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OH... too many subjects flying around. YES, you are absolutely correct. Motion detect will work, but not video out.

I sit corrected!
So, what I did wrong? It seems like mine #16V1 does nothing during Motion Detection. What I did is
1. Setup MD in the GUI
2. switch cam OFF
3. push briefly Power button (red LED blink ones)
4. move cam in my fingers (so there is motion)
5. push Power Button again.
6. check flash card (card is empty)
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Old Nov 05, 2012, 02:17 PM
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The center area of the B lens photo has a brighter hot spot in the center, and that darkens uniformly to a noticeably darker image at the sides/corners. It's more obvious in other videos I've seen, but it's still visible in your picture if you look for it. But hey! What you see and find OK is the only thing that counts!
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I sometimes get a pink spot in the center of the image, but that's not unique to the 808s. Serious darkening at an edge sometimes occurs depending on where the sun is relative to which way the camera points.
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Old Nov 05, 2012, 02:30 PM
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So, what I did wrong? It seems like mine #16V1 does nothing during Motion Detection. What I did is
1. Setup MD in the GUI
2. switch cam OFF
3. push briefly Power button (red LED blink ones)
4. move cam in my fingers (so there is motion)
5. push Power Button again.
6. check flash card (card is empty)
Waving fingers in front of the lens sometimes does not trigger the motion detect due to low sensitivity. I suggest using the GUI to turn on the recording LED, so you can see when the recording starts (LED will blink continuously while recording). Rather than wave your finger in front of the lens, move the camera around for test purposes. The recording should start with a decent variable detail scene in the frame scene. Sensitivity is being analyzed and may be revised with a FW tweak.
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Old Nov 05, 2012, 02:32 PM
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I sometimes get a pink spot in the center of the image, but that's not unique to the 808s. Serious darkening at an edge sometimes occurs depending on where the sun is relative to which way the camera points.
Yeah, all these inexpensive tiny lenses show some of this, but of the three lenses available for the #16, Lens B is noticeably worse in this regard (to my eye).
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Old Nov 05, 2012, 02:57 PM
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Yeah, all these inexpensive tiny lenses show some of this, but of the three lenses available for the #16, Lens B is noticeably worse in this regard (to my eye).
It seems to me that the vignetting and pink hotspot are worse with awb. My video with B lens and fluorescent setting was not too bad imo.

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Old Nov 05, 2012, 03:03 PM
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Waving fingers in front of the lens sometimes does not trigger the motion detect due to low sensitivity. I suggest using the GUI to turn on the recording LED, so you can see when the recording starts (LED will blink continuously while recording). Rather than wave your finger in front of the lens, move the camera around for test purposes. The recording should start with a decent variable detail scene in the frame scene. Sensitivity is being analyzed and may be revised with a FW tweak.
That exactly what I did and LED does not flash, so the cam does nothing. So what could be wrong?
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Old Nov 05, 2012, 03:42 PM
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So, what I did wrong? It seems like mine #16V1 does nothing during Motion Detection. What I did is
1. Setup MD in the GUI
2. switch cam OFF
3. push briefly Power button (red LED blink ones)
4. move cam in my fingers (so there is motion)
5. push Power Button again.
6. check flash card (card is empty)
You are NOT holding down the power button long enough.
Push and hold the power button till the led turns yellow, (about 3-4 seconds), then let go.
Will work as advertised then.
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Old Nov 05, 2012, 03:49 PM
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It seems to me that the vignetting and pink hotspot are worse with awb. My video with B lens and fluorescent setting was not too bad imo.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...ostcount=10467
Could be... for me, it shows up more as saturation increases (espcially the hot spot), and different scenes show it more than others. But unless there's a side-by-side video of the same scene with two cameras, it's impossible to see what the differences really are. I can say without any doubt, though, that lens B has worse vignetting than lens A because I've shot side-by-side video with lens B when it was first introduced showing this in a variety of lighting and scenes.

Strangely enough, though, lens B is much less susceptible to the blue-to-gray sky color shift! I can't explain why unless it has to do with the IR filter on the front surface rather than inside the CMOS module on the rear lens element. Or perhaps more likely, it is blocking a different band of IR, and this impacts the sensor response followed by different auto WB action?
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Old Nov 05, 2012, 03:51 PM
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Wazzup?

Just when you guys thought it was safe and Yabba was still messing with his #11's...Tata! I'm back.

I just got my #16 last week and it is such an improvement over the #11 I can't believe I waited so long to get one.

Iso, your GUI is awesome. Thank you. And Tom and all who have contributed to this cameras continuing developement...thank you also.

Here's my first vid. It was stock, out of the box with number ....30 (?) firmware.

I downloaded Iso's program and bootloader and switched to number 049 firmware after this vid but I really haven't had a chance to play with it too much yet.

I like a little more vivid colors. I know it is kind of drab around here but the way the camera is right now makes it even drabber

Any suggestions of what settings I coild go to to get a more Fuji film type of look?

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Thanks again everyone.

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Old Nov 05, 2012, 03:55 PM
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It's possible to display the 16:9 frame stretched vertically to eliminate the letterbox black space, but then the image is distorted. Would you find that preferable to letter boxed images?
Yes!
Even the question wasn't for me, sorry.
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Old Nov 05, 2012, 04:17 PM
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Even the question wasn't for me, sorry.
That's OK. I'm curious as to what people like. The stretched image doesn't show any additional detail... just distorts the image. I'd rather have the scene look like it really is, not a stretched version. But that's just me.
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Old Nov 05, 2012, 04:24 PM
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Of course also I don't like any distorted image but if the player, monitor, (TV) can modify the aspect ratio, the image will be viewed with the correct AR.
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Old Nov 05, 2012, 04:41 PM
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I like a little more vivid colors. I know it is kind of drab around here but the way the camera is right now makes it even drabber

Any suggestions of what settings I coild go to to get a more Fuji film type of look?
Hi Yabba! You should get 0.49 firmware loaded, then set White Balance to Fluorescent. I add one notch of Saturation. You can check my last video, or test for yourself. Maybe you'll come up with something better, but the big advantage of not using Auto White Balance is color stability, much better than #11, and even better than #16 default awb
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Old Nov 05, 2012, 04:58 PM
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so, your GUI is awesome. Thank you. And Tom and all who have contributed to this cameras continuing developement...thank you also.
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Yabba, nice vid, I always enjoy your commentary. :-)

I second the comments about the camera GUI and Tom and Iso's fantastic contributions to the keycam world. I've been through four of these little cams now (3 #11, 1 #16) and now with the new features and the GUI to help out, they are simply fantastic little cams. Thanks, you guys, and keep up the great work! :-)

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Old Nov 05, 2012, 05:14 PM
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Of course also I don't like any distorted image but if the player, monitor, (TV) can modify the aspect ratio, the image will be viewed with the correct AR.
If that's the case, why not just stream out the original aspect ratio to begin with! The converted, then reconverted image is not going to be as sharp as the original, which is already pretty poor quality to begin with being composite video.

I see this as mainly an FPV consideration, and many consider the letterbox format an advantage for displaying live flight recorder data in the blank frame areas. Maybe a user toggle to select one or the other is possible.
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