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Old Sep 24, 2012, 07:52 PM
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Another test of V41 firmware with max saturation setting and fluorescent toggled on. It appears as the color match and stability works better.

https://vimeo.com/50011834
Just for clarification. Does setting the camera to FLUORESCENT totally disable AWB, or does it create a color offset around which AWB operates much in the same way a filter in front of the lens would?

Good vid. Thanks for the effort.

Cliff
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Old Sep 24, 2012, 11:01 PM
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Just for clarification. Does setting the camera to FLUORESCENT totally disable AWB, or does it create a color offset around which AWB operates much in the same way a filter in front of the lens would?

Good vid. Thanks for the effort.

Cliff
I can't answer that definitively. I had thought all the settings other than the Auto setting had fixed white balance adjustments (by definition). But then when I shot the four camera test video (see my recent post with the Vimeo link), the Cloudy setting also showed the blue-to-gray color shift of a clear blue sky, just like the Auto setting. The Daylight setting and Fluorescent setting does not do this however. So, I'm not sure what's going on in the firmware for these.
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Old Sep 24, 2012, 11:23 PM
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Yes I already have an "old" 808#16 with A lens, no problem there, the problem is with the "red dot" you see in the lens of the B lens ( 808#16 V2 ), ( that red dot is because its got a IR lens? , video in darker spaces and the quality of video is much better than the old "A" lens, and the field of view has improved too.

thank you!, regards
The red color is because of the IR filter being on the front of the lens as you said, but the reason it's so visible is because that filter has a perfectly flat front surface, and therefore reflects any light linearly across the entire lens surface, making it quite visible. The "A" lens has the filter in the back (inside the CMOS module), and the front surface of the lens has a very convex front surface, scattering any reflected light across a very wide angle. The portion of any reflected light that hits your eye is just a tiny (blue) dot, a fraction of the total lens diameter.

FWIW, the lens that was shipped with the early #16 cameras were different from the current "A" lens. You may have one of those if you are seeing a big difference in video quality between "A" and "B" lenses. I started testing the new color settings in FW 0.41 with both "A" and "B" lens cameras, and could not see any significant difference in video quality in good outdoor light, other than the pronounced more vignetting the "B" lens has. Admittedly, I haven't done much indoor video comparison testing, though.
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Old Sep 25, 2012, 02:43 AM
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Anyone interested in buying the 808s from a local reseller?

Hi,

I stumbled upon the 808 #16 a few months ago, and immediately got one. I use it to record in-helmet POV videos of my motorcycle trips, I've used it in Yosemite park and other parts of California and I love the small size and that it fits into the helmet.

Would anyone here buy one from a US dealer, but has reservations about sending money to China + wait 2-3 weeks for the arrival?

I'm thinking of importing a bulk of cameras and re-selling them here. Not sure what the price would be, if you're interested, let me know what you'd be willing to pay.

Also, how important is short delivery time/sent from USA to you? Am I mislead in thinking that people would appreciate this service, or am I right? Just going off my instincts here.

Anyways, if you might buy one, I put up a little info site so you know what's up:
http://808helmetcamera.com/

Looking forward to hearing from you guys!

pdiddy



PS: Oh yea, what lens would you prefer? Personally, I got the B, and I find the angle a little too narrow. Maybe the wide angle would be better for motorcycling videos.
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Old Sep 25, 2012, 03:34 AM
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ok thank you for your ideas,
BTW there´s nothing spooky or underground or bad in what Im asking, its used for surveillance, so if the RED DOT lens are very noticeable from many angles, its fair to use something to make it NOT noticeable for nannys-burglars etc.

Yes I already have an "old" 808#16 with A lens, no problem there, the problem is with the "red dot" you see in the lens of the B lens ( 808#16 V2 ), ( that red dot is because its got a IR lens? , video in darker spaces and the quality of video is much better than the old "A" lens, and the field of view has improved too.

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Welcomed.

the red dot reflects back into video with angle. afraid someone may see, no comment.
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Old Sep 25, 2012, 03:41 AM
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love the wide angle. if you can beat $40 you got my vote :-)
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Old Sep 25, 2012, 04:22 AM
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Hi,

I stumbled upon the 808 #16 a few months ago, and immediately got one. I use it to record in-helmet POV videos of my motorcycle trips, I've used it in Yosemite park and other parts of California and I love the small size and that it fits into the helmet.

Would anyone here buy one from a US dealer, but has reservations about sending money to China + wait 2-3 weeks for the arrival?

I'm thinking of importing a bulk of cameras and re-selling them here. Not sure what the price would be, if you're interested, let me know what you'd be willing to pay.

Also, how important is short delivery time/sent from USA to you? Am I mislead in thinking that people would appreciate this service, or am I right? Just going off my instincts here.

Anyways, if you might buy one, I put up a little info site so you know what's up:
http://808helmetcamera.com/

Looking forward to hearing from you guys!

pdiddy



PS: Oh yea, what lens would you prefer? Personally, I got the B, and I find the angle a little too narrow. Maybe the wide angle would be better for motorcycling videos.
I don't want to discourage you, but are you aware there is already a US seller?

novotm announced his eBay listing here and you can find his actual listings by clicking here.
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Old Sep 25, 2012, 06:19 AM
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I did a test with 0.41 beta, setup for daylight and everything else auto/normal, class 4 sd card.

Right side of the picture is a bit blured because of moisture on/in the lens (too much flights/rolling in humid/rainy conditions)

This is a 808#16 V1 with FE-12 fisheye lens, even if it sometimes crashes on hard landings or rolls, this cam is pretty robust!

Sorry for shakiness but our track is very rough...

Losi 22 FPV Racing (6 min 32 sec)


Also waiting for 2x #16 v2 with lens D for aerial videos

Thanks to Tom, Isoprop and the dev team for their amazing work!
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Old Sep 25, 2012, 07:56 AM
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[QUOTE=Tom Frank;22824099 You can't expect the same kind of performance as might be available from a camera costing several hundreds times as much.[/QUOTE]

$8000 camera? Don't think so

Anyhow, agree there might be interaction between settings. I still don't understand how AWB reacts with the color setting, in particular warmer/cooler. Never seen that on any camera.

Maybe some interaction with autoexposure too..
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Old Sep 25, 2012, 08:16 AM
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Apologies to All

Tungsten was set and registered as (0). Tripled set the cam to AWB works fine. video thank you.

This video added is of AWB and may be tooooo long for some

Brooklyn Bridge, Dumbo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVGmGa5Xupw
Fishy,, To me this was the best video you have ever posted.. As I was stationed at Fort Hamilton in 1965-66 while in the Army I still love watching anything about the NY area.. Video looked very good for the little camera also.. Thanks Bob
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Fishy,, To me this was the best video you have ever posted.. As I was stationed at Fort Hamilton in 1965-66 while in the Army I still love watching anything about the NY area.. Video looked very good for the little camera also.. Thanks Bob
Tip my hat off to ya. Bob

Ft hameltn awesome ace

Ft Tilden next time lol

It is all good no matter what as long as it is on video

Maybe. Ext time I will get to the r. Field. I respect the guys and kept my distance.
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Old Sep 25, 2012, 09:04 AM
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Just for clarification. Does setting the camera to FLUORESCENT totally disable AWB, or does it create a color offset around which AWB operates much in the same way a filter in front of the lens would?

Good vid. Thanks for the effort.

Cliff
See Tom Frank's response.
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Old Sep 25, 2012, 09:53 AM
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More sea thermal flying. 1000 feet above take off at Labrador Bay. Bad brown green hunting at the end as I come into land. 16# version 1. very early one. with new v41 firmware. I'd never seen brown / green problem with this cam before . Could it be the v41? I have it set +1 saturation. And colour balance auto.

PS After landing the weird colours is Adobe effects, not thee cam!

Paragliding Labrador Bay on a cold grey day, but great Sea Thermals. Plus Mitsos Launch demo. (7 min 13 sec)
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Old Sep 25, 2012, 10:43 AM
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[QUOTE=bobflyman;22829721]More sea thermal flying. 1000 feet above take off at Labrador Bay. Bad brown green hunting at the end as I come into land. 16# version 1. very early one. with new v41 firmware. I'd never seen brown / green problem with this cam before . Could it be the v41? I have it set +1 saturation. And colour balance auto.

PS After landing the weird colours is Adobe effects, not thee cam!

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Thanks for the ride... Was enjoying it to much to worry about any color shifting...
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Old Sep 25, 2012, 01:18 PM
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are #16 lenses easy to swap or are they glued in like the cheapies?
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