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Old Dec 23, 2011, 03:53 PM
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quick service

Well I was amazed coming home today and finding my little #16 and extra battery waiting for me. I ordered mine on the 15th and it arrived here in Canada from Hong Kong and delivered within 8 days...great service from eletoponline365 !!

now to get it charged up and try it out...too cloudy and a little wet to fly today :-(
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 04:05 PM
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Maybe this short clip will convince you all of what the #16 will become once the firmware is mature. It's still beinging refined for all lighting conditions. This is about as good as anyone can expect, I think, for $40.

My netbook doesn't play the full HD image smoothly... hopefully you have a more capable PC. The colors on the native clip are a tiny bit more vivid and dead on for color and stability. About as good as it gets with a $40 HD key cam, folks!
Yes! That's very nice, indeed. Okay, I'm convinced.
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 04:25 PM
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My netbook doesn't play the full HD image smoothly... hopefully you have a more capable PC. The colors on the native clip are a tiny bit more vivid and dead on for color and stability. About as good as it gets with a $40 HD key cam, folks!
It plays very well on my cellphone heheh! Yep, its very good, some motion blur inside, but who cares, its great in the sun. The blue sky is very uniform, focus good too

Thanks!
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 04:46 PM
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Jello effect in new #16

Here are excerpts from another video taken through the windshield of my car. The new #16 was velcroed to my baseball cap. The cap was resting on the dashboard.

Any ideas about what's causing the jello effect?

Jello effect 12-23-11.mov (2 min 28 sec)
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 05:13 PM
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Here are excerpts from another video taken through the windshield of my car. The new #16 was velcroed to my baseball cap. The cap was resting on the dashboard.

Any ideas about what's causing the jello effect?
Could it be the cam is trying to focus on your winshield then on the back of the car causing that jello effect?

At 1.44 when you pull away behind the black car the jello effect seems not to be there.

Could you try it again with the lens as close to the windshield as you can get it?

I could well be totally wrong, I am just throwing my thoughts into the mix
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 05:16 PM
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Here's the HK Wing lens on #11 cam. Posting here with apologies, still some focus issue due to alignment of lens barrel with CMOS. I think the long lens barrel makes any out of true installation of the CMOS more critical. The sky seems good to me - not too much vignetting

Ace High - wing and tail views (2 min 35 sec)
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 07:08 PM
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Here are excerpts from another video taken through the windshield of my car. The new #16 was velcroed to my baseball cap. The cap was resting on the dashboard.

Any ideas about what's causing the jello effect?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf-xiJGGbrw
Bill it only seemed to do it when it was close behind the black Ford. But behind the white Ford it seemed to be real stable. Scotsoft may have something in his comments about trying to focus. Good thing it wasn't a FORD FOCUS.

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Old Dec 23, 2011, 07:19 PM
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The jello effect is the idle speed of your engine interacting with the frame rate of the camera. The car is moving up and down a very small amount, which is being amplified by the camera catching successive frames at "almost" the same position. At a guess, this didn't happen later in the video because the engine warmed up, so the idle was higher.
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 07:22 PM
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Bill it only seemed to do it when it was close behind the black Ford. But behind the white Ford it seemed to be real stable. Scotsoft may have something in his comments about trying to focus. Good thing it wasn't a FORD FOCUS.

Ron
The jello effect or rolling shutter is probably a low frequency motion from the V6 engine in my Freestar at idle.
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 07:33 PM
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Maybe this short clip will convince you all of what the #16 will become once the firmware is mature. It's still beinging refined for all lighting conditions. This is about as good as anyone can expect, I think, for $40.


#16 Test Video-click image to play

My netbook doesn't play the full HD image smoothly... hopefully you have a more capable PC. The colors on the native clip are a tiny bit more vivid and dead on for color and stability. About as good as it gets with a $40 HD key cam, folks!
Very Floridain - made me think Mint Jelup or Rum Punch
It seem spot on.
( thinks - another entry in the config untility - latitude ( to load preset colour profile )) - I hope not .....
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 08:58 PM
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That looked good Tom, everyone appreciates your work and input developing this camera!
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 09:13 PM
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Could it be the cam is trying to focus on your winshield then on the back of the car causing that jello effect?

At 1.44 when you pull away behind the black car the jello effect seems not to be there.

Could you try it again with the lens as close to the windshield as you can get it?

I could well be totally wrong, I am just throwing my thoughts into the mix
The #16 (and all other 808 key cams) have both fixed aperature and fixed focus... only the shutter can be changed to control exposure. Any waviness is a result of vibration coupled with the camera's rolling shutter.
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 10:14 PM
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Here's the HK Wing lens on #11 cam. Posting here with apologies, still some focus issue due to alignment of lens barrel with CMOS. I think the long lens barrel makes any out of true installation of the CMOS more critical. The sky seems good to me - not too much vignetting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8w08...ezvXLax9AvLsY4
Nice vid any update on hk just selling the lens?
I just might wait and see if the #16 goes to a wider fov and get all the kinks out.
I have the #11 after everthing was fixed bought this late summer plus the hk wing cam and a sony bloggie.
I enjoy trying to film with my friend of us flying planes together and the wider fov helps.
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 10:52 PM
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Horizontal Angle of view
#3 various reports of 30 to 44 degrees
#8 24.8 degrees (http://www.chucklohr.com/808/C8/)
#11 51 degrees (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=7837)
#16 42.6 degrees (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=86)

Glad to see wider options will be available, excellent news!
HTH
Yes, I think it will be a hot option even if it is an add-on that will not 'fit' into the 808 case (how many of us are using this for covert purposes


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found the same some days ago but I think the M12 thread is way bigger than our cmos module
yep, don't bother.
I have them and the threads are way too big. I couldn't even make it work by approximating the spacing




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Also, I got information on lens options from the developer. They are working with lens manufacturers for 70, 90, and 120 deg. AOV lens options. They will be offering these lenses IF they prove to be of good quality. The lens manufacturers do not sell directly to individual end users, however, so there is no direct purchase option available. I will be sent some of the alternative lenses for testing in the coming weeks, so hold tight with any questions until I have more to report. IF they prove to be of good quality, I don't know if they will be sold with new cameras or as accessories, with or without modules for direct plug in, cost, or even if they will fit in the #16 case. When I know more I will let you know in this thread.
Very interested in what you find Tom.
(I would still love to see something between the 90 and 120)

If your 120 degree lens is as good as the HK (or IS the same lens) than there will definitely be an interest!

How about the lenses in the links below?
Does anyone have some insight on them?
(are they the same thread as the DealXtreme lenses?)

http://profitech.hu/pt_list_data.php?gid=15&tid=30

http://www.visualzoom.com/SearchResu...how=100&page=1
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 11:14 PM
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M12 (mount 12mm) are giant lenses compere what you need here. M12 is a size for CCTV cameras with 1/3" sensors.
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