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Old Dec 13, 2011, 11:38 PM
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I HAVE A SOLUTION TO THE REMOTE PROBLEM!!! use a walkera genius CP RX done! Chris will the Solo pro tail fit the genius?? Im sure with the 2 helis we can make a nice flying monster! I have been looking alot closer at nine eagles, i was even thinking of getting the 100 cp (mcpx clone?) whats the difference between the 100 and 125? the 125 use linear servos like the mcpx correct? Did you try to bind your devo to the NE 125? Also hows the canopy compare to genius? will it fit the genius?
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 12:05 AM
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too bad they didn't go the torque tube route.. while the genius is a nice heli, i dont think i will buy another heli with a tail motor. too problematic with tail holding,etc. despite TT helis more prone to damage during a crash they fly a lot better.

thanks for the info though!
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 12:11 AM
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I HAVE A SOLUTION TO THE REMOTE PROBLEM!!! use a walkera genius CP RX done! Chris will the Solo pro tail fit the genius?? Im sure with the 2 helis we can make a nice flying monster! I have been looking alot closer at nine eagles, i was even thinking of getting the 100 cp (mcpx clone?) whats the difference between the 100 and 125? the 125 use linear servos like the mcpx correct? Did you try to bind your devo to the NE 125? Also hows the canopy compare to genius? will it fit the genius?
since the heli seems a close copy of the genius you could probably put a genius Rx in quite easy - but I would doubt any manufacturer including nine eagles would make a radio system compatible with walkera because they would have to make it under license from walkera - you get sued for using another's companies protocols without permission.

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Old Dec 14, 2011, 12:41 AM
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since the heli seems a close copy of the genius you could probably put a genius Rx in quite easy - but I would doubt any manufacturer including nine eagles would make a radio system compatible with walkera because they would have to make it under license from walkera - you get sued for using another's companies protocols without permission.

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I think the chances are that this is a joint development of some sort with Walkera and Nine Eagles. Now looking back, even the V120D02S and Solo Pro 180D are closely related. The hardware of FBL systems is quite simple, but the programming is not. It will quite incredible for Nine Eagles to come up with a workable version of both the 3 axis and 6 axis gyro within a few months. This sort of collaboration is very common among Chinese companies, especially in the electronics industry Quite often, you can have different manufacturers making essentially the same product.
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 01:05 AM
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This is along the lines of what I was thinking

If NE did sue Walkera, and some sort of settlement or whatever, was arranged, perhaps NE benefited


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I think the chances are that this is a joint development of some sort with Walkera and Nine Eagles. Now looking back, even the V120D02S and Solo Pro 180D are closely related. The hardware of FBL systems is quite simple, but the programming is not. It will quite incredible for Nine Eagles to come up with a workable version of both the 3 axis and 6 axis gyro within a few months. This sort of collaboration is very common among Chinese companies, especially in the electronics industry Quite often, you can have different manufacturers making essentially the same product.
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 01:18 AM
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This is along the lines of what I was thinking

If NE did sue Walkera, and some sort of settlement or whatever, was arranged, perhaps NE benefited
It is not necessarily one way either. The head used on the Genius and the V120D02S appeared months earlier on the Solo Pro 180D. Nine Eagles can definitely provide some help to Walkera as to what durable materials to use.
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 01:20 AM
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True!

I also heard, from the rumor mill, that a member of Align's Team now works for Walkera and had a part in designing the Genius CP.

so

who knows

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It is not necessarily one way either. The head used on the Genius and the V120D02S appeared months earlier on the Solo Pro 180D. Nine Eagles can definitely provide some help to Walkera as to what durable materials to use.
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 01:36 AM
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Seems like a nice heli, with some improvements over earlier NE CP helis. Now with a good TX and no slip ups in quality control, this could be a winner, if competively priced..
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 04:39 AM
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Seems like a nice heli, with some improvements over earlier NE CP helis. Now with a good TX and no slip ups in quality control, this could be a winner, if competively priced..
Indeed, seems like it could be a winner model. Have a look. Just received the link to this video from Mr. Lin. Mr. Lin got the video from Nine Eagles and he hosted it on YouTube himself just today:

125 viedo.wmv (4 min 7 sec)


Enjoy the video!

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Chris
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 05:41 AM
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I HAVE A SOLUTION TO THE REMOTE PROBLEM!!! use a walkera genius CP RX done! Chris will the Solo pro tail fit the genius?? Im sure with the 2 helis we can make a nice flying monster! I have been looking alot closer at nine eagles, i was even thinking of getting the 100 cp (mcpx clone?) whats the difference between the 100 and 125? the 125 use linear servos like the mcpx correct? Did you try to bind your devo to the NE 125? Also hows the canopy compare to genius? will it fit the genius?
Funny how I have my own personal ******* on this forum... I'm sure if I said it was a copy he's be saying that it isn't...

Here are the differences between both helis...

-Different servos
-Different frame
-Different motors
-Different tail rotor
-Different tail boom
-Different RX
-Different Battery tray
-Different swash plate
-Different landing skids
-Different main shaft
-Different canopy mount rod.
-Different canopy

I mean... Are there any parts left that are the same for us to call this a Walkera copy?

To answer your questions, HW,

-the plugs are different on the RX, so you'd need to cut and solder as well as you'd need compatible plugs to make the Genius CP RX work on this heli.

-The canopy fits the Genius and vice versa.

-The tail boom assembly should work on the GCP but the plug is not compatible. You'd have to solder on the right plug first.

-The 100D has issues with the main gear, it has larger main blades, and it 's a totally different heli in design.

-The servos are component based servos, unlike the mcpX

Best,
Chris
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 09:17 AM
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Seems like a nice heli, with some improvements over earlier NE CP helis. Now with a good TX and no slip ups in quality control, this could be a winner, if competively priced..
There is no excuse for you not to move up to a CP now!

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True!

I also heard, from the rumor mill, that a member of Align's Team now works for Walkera and had a part in designing the Genius CP.

so

who knows
I am not sure what Walkera has to gain here. After all they are the experts in mirco helicopters whereas Align made a mess of their only entry. The only area I can think of is in improving their FBL systems.

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Funny how I have my own personal ******* on this forum... I'm sure if I said it was a copy he's be saying that it isn't...


I mean... Are there any parts left that are the same for us to call this a Walkera copy?
The Olympus PEN series cameras and Panasonic GF series have a lot of differences. But underneath, they share a lot of components as well as in design and research. I find it hard to believe that Walkera and NE would have come up with the 6 axis gyro at the same time independently. I would be very surprised if Walkera had not patented it.
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The same goes for anything, Zadaw... Engineers come up with new ideas all the time. Other developers take it from there and they add their own twist to it. What seems to be copied often becomes industry standards. Think power steering or disk brakes on cars... Someone came up with this desigh first, but eventually someone else improved the design, and then someone else improved it even more and son.

Is the design perhaps inspired by the Genius CP design? Maybe... But it certainly is a design of its own with it's on twists and improvements. Copies don't usually come with so many differences in design and they don't often come with a list of improvements, either.

In this case, the improvements are:
-Removable landing gear
-Longer tail boom
-No yaw issues
-Better COG (This is according to Mr. Lin)
-heat sink on main motor
-CNC main shaft. It's not a tube, by the way. It's a CNC rod and also according to Mr. Lin, flight characteristics may be better due to weight repartition on the mast.

In Taiwan, we can buy knock offs for EVERYTHING, but I don't know any "copied" goods that have so many improvements over the original product...

Best,
Chris
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 10:29 AM
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The same goes for anything, Zadaw... Engineers come up with new ideas all the time. Other developers take it from there and they add their own twist to it. What seems to be copied often becomes industry standards. Think power steering or disk brakes on cars... Someone came up with this desigh first, but eventually someone else improved the design, and then someone else improved it even more and son.

Is the design perhaps inspired by the Genius CP design? Maybe... But it certainly is a design of its own with it's on twists and improvements. Copies don't usually come with so many differences in design and they don't often come with a list of improvements, either.

In this case, the improvements are:
-Removable landing gear
-Longer tail boom
-No yaw issues
-Better COG (This is according to Mr. Lin)
-heat sink on main motor
-CNC main shaft. It's not a tube, by the way. It's a CNC rod and also according to Mr. Lin, flight characteristics may be better due to weight repartition on the mast.

In Taiwan, we can buy knock offs for EVERYTHING, but I don't know any "copied" goods that have so many improvements over the original product...

Best,
Chris
I am not saying it is a copy. I think it is the result of collaboration, with Walkera and NE coming out with different takes on the same theme just as the case with Panasonic and Olympus.
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 10:32 AM
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I see. Then I have to agree with you entirely that it is a possibility.

Oh and hold that thought for now on the 6 axis for this heli. No one seems to know for sure. Farmer Dave thinks the switch is a on/off switch for the gyros for setup purposes. He might be right.

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Chris
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 10:57 AM
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I see. Then I have to agree with you entirely that it is a possibility.

Oh and hold that thought for now on the 6 axis for this heli. No one seems to know for sure. Farmer Dave thinks the switch is a on/off switch for the gyros for setup purposes. He might be right.

Best,
Chris
The heli looks incredibly stable in your video. I wonder if you could have felt whether it was in 3 axis or 6 axis mode?
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