Jan 01, 2013, 07:29 PM
KK4NZS
Virginia
Joined Sep 2006
1,504 Posts
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Pisces Hmmm... seems your calculations give a different answer than the formula given by IBCrazy in post #1.. quote "SWR is calculated as follows: p = Vr/Vf SWR = 1+p/1-p " Then p = 0.29/4.35 = 0.0666 VSWR = 1+0.066 /1-0.066 = 1.066/0.934 = 1.14 VSWR = 1.14 IBCrazy of course is the correct way to calculate VSWR. Voltage Standing Wave Ratio Efficiency for VSWR 1.14 is > 99%. PS..the IBCrazy method as with most VSWR meters measures Voltage not Power. The direct power reading is unknown but of course is related by the formula Power = Voltage^2/Ohm ( P=E^2/R ) Hope this helps
Thanks that really clear things out.. Keep it simple
Last edited by Nelapaty; Jan 01, 2013 at 07:35 PM.
 Jan 06, 2013, 08:18 AM KK4NZS Virginia Joined Sep 2006 1,504 Posts Pisces, Is there a chart that shows efiiciency? Whats the efficency for 1.71 VSWR
Jan 06, 2013, 03:07 PM
The Dreamer
Sydney, Australia
Joined Dec 2010
1,016 Posts
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Nelapaty Pisces, Is there a chart that shows efficiency? Whats the efficiency for 1.71 VSWR
There are charts and if I come across it on-line I will post the link. I have the link saved here somewhere but cant find where i have saved the link in my favorites folder.

But, you can DIY using a on-line VSWR efficiency calculator.

http://www.csgnetwork.com/vswrlosscalc.html

Example,
Enter VSWR 1.14
The Loss in power W = 0.428%

Therefore the Forward Power = 100 - 0.428 = 99.57%

Also on interest in the calculator is Input power 100W
Shows Loss in Power = 0.428W
Therefore the Forward Power radiated by the antenna is 99.57W.

PS..Enter VSWR 1.5 and the calculator gives Power forward = 96%.
This is why a VSWR of < 1.5 is considered a good antenna. 4% of input Power W is lost due to impedance mismatch. Impedance mismatch is measured as VSWR. One and the same.

Hope this helps
Lindsay
Last edited by Pisces; Jan 06, 2013 at 03:15 PM.
 Jan 16, 2013, 02:54 PM Registered User Joined Aug 2011 12 Posts I bought Coaxial cable from ebay, but the smalest I could find was 2.5m long. It has SMA male on both sides. Can I cut the cable, shorten it, and resolder it so I get the short coax cable for the SWR meter? Or will the solder point ruin the whole calculation system? If so, does anyone have an ebaylink to a short RG316 jumper? thanks in advance
 Jan 16, 2013, 03:01 PM Registered User Tucson Avra Valley, Arizona, United States Joined Jul 2002 1,486 Posts Why not use a SMA Male to male connector like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMA-male-To-...item2576bda426
 Feb 07, 2013, 05:22 PM Registered User Norway, Oslo Joined Feb 2012 75 Posts DIY SWR meter can i use this coupler http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-Circuit...item4839f26993 for 1.3 ghz. diy swr meter. or if you have a link to on that work better '
 Feb 08, 2013, 09:14 AM Registered User Tucson Avra Valley, Arizona, United States Joined Jul 2002 1,486 Posts Gazz That will work great and the price is right. Neal
Feb 08, 2013, 01:20 PM
Registered User
Manchester, UK
Joined Sep 2008
75 Posts
Just build the smallest Diode, Resister & Capacitor circuit...
But think I shorted out pins 4 & 5 on the Diode, will this matter?

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 Feb 08, 2013, 02:08 PM Wallop! Bussum, Netherlands Joined Oct 2009 912 Posts If you have the K-package of HSMS-286 then it shouldn't matter (pins 2 and 5 are just for isolation between the two diodes). But it introduces a little extra capacitance. Martin
Feb 08, 2013, 07:13 PM
Registered User
Norway, Oslo
Joined Feb 2012
75 Posts
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Nobert Gazz That will work great and the price is right. Neal
thanks Neal
Feb 13, 2013, 02:52 PM
Wallop!
Bussum, Netherlands
Joined Oct 2009
912 Posts
Finally my SWR meter has been completed. It has everything I wished for; usable for 2 - 8Ghz, sensitive; good response with only 14dBm signal, analog scale, small; about the size of a pack of cigarettes.

My printer is really horrible, so the scale is unreadable. I don't mind as I'm the only user and I know what's printed. The little green led is what takes most current, I should solve that later .

Thank you Alex for your great ideas!
Martin

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Feb 22, 2013, 10:18 PM
Mobius Cables... I got em'
United States, TN, Oak Ridge
Joined Dec 2011
4,238 Posts
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Martin. Finally my SWR meter has been completed. It has everything I wished for; usable for 2 - 8Ghz, sensitive; good response with only 14dBm signal, analog scale, small; about the size of a pack of cigarettes. My printer is really horrible, so the scale is unreadable. I don't mind as I'm the only user and I know what's printed. The little green led is what takes most current, I should solve that later . Thank you Alex for your great ideas! Martin
Ok... im confused, how are you getting SWR from a single reading? doesnt it need forward and reverse?
Feb 22, 2013, 10:26 PM
Mobius Cables... I got em'
United States, TN, Oak Ridge
Joined Dec 2011
4,238 Posts

If i get the below results is there any problems with the setup?

Meter built from:
HSMS-286k
1k resistor
0.01mF 50v capacitor
Multimeter used: Fluke 77IV

Stock antenna
Vf=131mv
Vr=-3.1mv
P=-0.023664122
SWR=0.953765846

Vf=121mv
Vr=-.9mv
P=-0.007438017
SWR=0.985233798

RHCP Crosshair
Vf=131mv
Vr=-1.1mv
P=-0.008396947
SWR=0.98334595

 DIY SWR (7 min 19 sec)
Last edited by chanyote66; Feb 25, 2013 at 10:48 AM.
Feb 23, 2013, 07:03 AM
Wallop!
Bussum, Netherlands
Joined Oct 2009
912 Posts
Quote:
 Originally Posted by chanyote66 Ok... im confused, how are you getting SWR from a single reading? doesnt it need forward and reverse?
You're right, in principle it needs Vf and Vr. But Vf is quite stable, it varies about 10% for different loads (antennas, resistors) if I remember correctly. So given the formula VSWR = (1 + Vr/Vf) / (1 - Vr/Vf), my VSWR reading is just a little bit off. But when calibrating the meter with a known load, it is spot on. So this is what I normally do: I connect a 6dB attenuator as load and set the reading to VSWR = 1.66. Then I replace the attenuator by the antenna and try to tune it at or below VSWR 1.30. Then I verify the reading with my DIY 60Ω dummy load.

I think for low VSWR values, the error in the diode's non-linear region is bigger than the error you make by assuming that Vf is constant. So theoretically you're absolutely right, but practically there's nothing wrong. Calibrating the meter with known dummy loads cancels out all errors, provided your measured antennas give about equal readings on the meter.

More details can be found here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1718928

Martin
 Feb 23, 2013, 11:47 AM Mobius Cables... I got em' United States, TN, Oak Ridge Joined Dec 2011 4,238 Posts Ok, Ill see if i can find a Dummy load for 1280/1258 and see what that gives me. I roughly based my tests off the factory antenna, but we all know they aren't always the best... Chris Latest blog entry: Project Mega charger (v2) - parts on...