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Old May 15, 2012, 01:57 AM
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Is it really necessary to argue over CA glue? There have been a couple time when the thread has gone on a wild rampage of pointless stuff like CA vs GG (they both work!) your plane will not fall a part if you use CA OR GG!! come on people..

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Old May 15, 2012, 02:10 AM
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Thank you crazy1 - this vid is one of the best I have seen so far. Would be interested to know what that "brown stuff" is that they were flying over - or perhaps not

X8 Maiden (3 min 24 sec)
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Old May 15, 2012, 02:27 AM
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Is it really necessary to argue over CA glue? There have been a couple time when the thread has gone on a wild rampage of pointless stuff like CA vs GG (they both work!) your plane will not fall a part if you use CA OR GG!! come on people..

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No problem, and personally, I don't care what kind of adhesive a person uses. I was only pointing out that a person should not say that something "won't" work.

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Old May 15, 2012, 02:28 AM
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Thank you crazy1 - this vid is one of the best I have seen so far. Would be interested to know what that "brown stuff" is that they were flying over - or perhaps not

https://vimeo.com/41306784
I don't know, but it looks pretty.
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Old May 15, 2012, 02:45 AM
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It's not an argument, it's a discussion, and we are on a discussion forum after all, and the discussion is how best to glue this plane together.

FWIW, I have never used kicker on any build and I have built some pretty fast planes. I currently have one of the fastest fun jets in the world, and I've built countless bees, easy stars, alulas and other Multiplex planes, all EPO. And the last thing I'd use kicker on is my DS planes. In fact I have such a dislike for CA/Kicker combo that my build night mates think it's fun to hit my parts up with a little spray of kicker.

On that topic, i recently saw a pressurised can of zip kicker. I would actually like to try that as it would put an ever so fine mist on which might be acceptable for my particular style of build, and the one Ian seems to like to use. Anyone used that aerosol stuff?




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Is it really necessary to argue over CA glue? There have been a couple time when the thread has gone on a wild rampage of pointless stuff like CA vs GG (they both work!) your plane will not fall a part if you use CA OR GG!! come on people..

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Old May 15, 2012, 02:51 AM
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That's great video. Were they manually flown or stabilised?

That First launch replay at 3 minutes happened to me the other day. It was identical. From now on I will be launching with this plane banked 30 to the right.
Maybe it's my throwing technique or maybe the torque, but it always pitches nose up and rolls left on launch.



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Thank you crazy1 - this vid is one of the best I have seen so far. Would be interested to know what that "brown stuff" is that they were flying over - or perhaps not

https://vimeo.com/41306784
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Old May 15, 2012, 02:54 AM
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What kind of glue do you use for glueing the two wood joiners on between each wing and the fuselage, ca, epoxy or uhu por??

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Old May 15, 2012, 02:58 AM
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The aerosol kicker comes out like hairspray. Not like the squeesey trigger window cleaner bottles that do mist. Gap in the market?

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Old May 15, 2012, 03:05 AM
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It's not an argument, it's a discussion, and we are on a discussion forum after all, and the discussion is how best to glue this plane together.

FWIW, I have never used kicker on any build and I have built some pretty fast planes. I currently have one of the fastest fun jets in the world, and I've built countless bees, easy stars, alulas and other Multiplex planes, all EPO. And the last thing I'd use kicker on is my DS planes. In fact I have such a dislike for CA/Kicker combo that my build night mates think it's fun to hit my parts up with a little spray of kicker.

On that topic, i recently saw a pressurised can of zip kicker. I would actually like to try that as it would put an ever so fine mist on which might be acceptable for my particular style of build, and the one Ian seems to like to use. Anyone used that aerosol stuff?
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The aerosol kicker comes out like hairspray. Not like the squeesey trigger window cleaner bottles that do mist. Gap in the market?

CJ
When I use kicker....that is the one I use.I like actual Zip kicker, as it seems to work better (I will qualify this, so no arguments) "for me" than some of the store brands, etc. I can easily "tap" the top for a small amount, or hold it down to cover a large area...anyway... I like it!!

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Old May 15, 2012, 03:10 AM
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Is it really necessary to argue over CA glue? There have been a couple time when the thread has gone on a wild rampage of pointless stuff like CA vs GG (they both work!) your plane will not fall a part if you use CA OR GG!! come on people..

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Can I throw some UHU POR into this arena?
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Old May 15, 2012, 03:40 AM
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While everyone is at it, I would like to throw some Foam Tac in the mix. For an EPO to EPO joint, this is superior to CA, from my experience. I have heard from others that it is much better than UHU.
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Old May 15, 2012, 03:42 AM
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I used the glue that was supplied with the kit, works fine and it ain't coming apart.
Use what ever your happy with but you will find that it's a horses for courses thing, what works good on one type of material might be no good for another.
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Old May 15, 2012, 03:54 AM
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On that topic, i recently saw a pressurised can of zip kicker. I would actually like to try that as it would put an ever so fine mist on which might be acceptable for my particular style of build, and the one Ian seems to like to use. Anyone used that aerosol stuff?
Yes, the fine mist aerosol spray cans labeled Zip Kicker (sold under Zap brand, and some others) are
my favorite. It puts out an even mist which then will evaporate fairly quickly. Great planes has
an aerosol accelerator that I don't like at all (tends to come out unevenly and pool up), and
there's a finger pump spritz bottle variety out there that's even worse than that. A cheap
alternative is a light dusting of baking soda. It doesn't kick as fast as the sprays and you
don't have to worry about overspray into other areas that you're not ready to glue yet.

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Old May 15, 2012, 04:21 AM
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A new non-maiden flight X8 video for your entertainment.
FPV - X8 - Messing around (4 min 56 sec)

Wish I'd gotten out earlier. It was really super smooth air.

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Old May 15, 2012, 05:56 AM
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Can I throw some UHU POR into this arena?
Yeeess, we are all using UHU POR here. But I'm not going to fight for it - there are a lot of glues around the world and I didn't test them all. Even the CA differs between the brands.

You can check the main difference between UHU Por and CA by touching (or, better say pressing) the joint point. With CA you can feel stiff parts of glue. With UHU Por you can't feel anything - it's like pure foam.

A lot of people left using UHU Por because they don't know the proper way of using it. You can't just put the glue on foam and connect both parts. Well, you can, but it will dry for hours. But if you put the glue on both sides, wait for cca 5-10 minutes (until it feels dry) and then press both parts together, the join is instant (beware, it's faster than with CA!) and very strong.

Personaly I use UHU Por for large and "mission crticial" foam parts (e.g. joining main parts of fuselage, last time both halfes of Skywalker), Epoxy for joinging wood/foam in the visible parts, Purex (PUR foam) for very strong joinging wood/foam in not visible parts (e.g. main wing spar, undercarriage support) and CA for small parts, glueing metal/foam and all repairs...
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