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Old Jan 25, 2012, 12:32 PM
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Making the V911 faster is not as easy as it seems. The V911 has trouble keeping altitude on left turns and FFF. I think this is due to the higher weight, and perhaps the Solo Pro has a stronger motor, as I rarely need full throttle on it. The 9958 will keep better breeze penetration than the Solo Pro/V911, due to the different head setup. The reason the Solo Pro can be faster than the 9958 is mostly due to the diving characteristics of the latter, it can loose altitude fast in FFF, while the Solo Pro, and even more, the Bravo SX, can keep soaring on the same altitude. But not when there is some breeze, then it gets harder to get the nose down into the wind on the NE helis.
Very good summation, Solo Pro. Daryoon and I were out flying our v911s and we observed the same thing. The v911 really has trouble keeping altitude on FFF banked turns. We were at full throttle, and it could barely hold altitude on right turns. On left turns, it just spiral down and bury itself, unless we stop the turn and pull up. Unlike you and Daryoon, I have little experience with the SP and the BSX, so I couldn't make the comparison there. But I definitely do not see the same thing with the 9958.
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Old Jan 25, 2012, 12:38 PM
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Oh, one more thing... I haven't seen anyone mention this (so it could just be mine), but if I move the heli even the slightest bit as the gyro sets, the helicopter flies like a squirrel on crack!
I'm almost tempted to clamp the thing down when I insert a battery.
If you set the heli down right after you insert the battery, the red LED on the back of the PCB will start to flash slower - I think that indicates the gyro has initialized. Then turn on the Tx, and when it binds the red LED on the heli will stay on steady. I've never has any crazy squirrel on crack syndrome doing it that way.
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Old Jan 25, 2012, 01:02 PM
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Eliminate the competition: 9958 has better forward flight which makes it better outdoors....I don't think it would take much to give the V911 better outdoor flight as it's sister, the Solo Pro, has faster forward flight.
Have you tried setting the Tx to the high rate setting? It makes the servos throw about 25% more, which should help in speed in any cyclic direction. Make sure the servo linkages are in the outside hole of the servo arms.

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It's a really excellent heli for the price...........if WL is really entertaining suggestions just be sure that none of the existing excellent characteristics are ruined by changing the recipe.
It's good that people are throwing out all kinds of suggestions to make the V911 better, but keep in mind that price will obviously have to go up with some of these suggestions. I think the biggest issue the V911 has is the separating swash plate. I just glued mine and it's been fine in many crashes since.

Also, I noticed the flybar has sagged quite a bit since I received my V911 ... and I think it's just due to the flybar sagging with time from gravity pulling on the end weights. Maybe they should stiffen up the flybar material some to prevent this.

WLToys does need a little better QA on parts like the main gear to ensure they are not warped and causing gear grind. It's important that the whole drive train run smooth and friction free and is well balanced and doesn't have excess slop in components. Just improving manufacturing tolerances would take care of all that.
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Old Jan 25, 2012, 01:05 PM
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Making the V911 faster is not as easy as it seems. The V911 has trouble keeping altitude on left turns and FFF.
Mine seems to turn left with no problems ... don't really notice a significant drop in altitude. Turning left and turning right take a different control input to make them happen smoothly.
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Old Jan 25, 2012, 01:20 PM
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Hayabusa: Make sure you're flying with the elevator stick at max while bank turn left. That's the FFF left turn we're talking about here.

If your heli behaves like ours, you'll have to give full 100% throttle to maintain lift during this type of fast forward, circuit flying. On right turn, it will maintain it's altitude. On left turn, it very, very slowly lose altitude. Not sure if it's more apparent depending on how much juice is left in your battery.

Anyways, that's the scenario we're talking about. Also, make sure you're flying that way for a few circles at least. You might not notice it with one complete circle.

Also, keep in mind I am not sure how the wind factors in all this since the flights were done outside where there's enough room to actually fly FFF.
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Old Jan 25, 2012, 02:15 PM
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cpuken, thank you for your input; I will forward those ideas to Chris at WL Toys

I particularly like the idea of a BNF version of the V911, as well as the build-it-yourself kit version.

Anyone else have any ideas?
My I ask you to send him salute from Croatia and ask him about EC Declaration of Conformity? He will understand all
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Old Jan 25, 2012, 02:15 PM
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Hayabusa: Make sure you're flying with the elevator stick at max while bank turn left. That's the FFF left turn we're talking about here.

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On left turn, it very, very slowly lose altitude. Not sure if it's more apparent depending on how much juice is left in your battery.
In a left turn/bank, the tail motor is pushing "down".
That may be a contributing factor.
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Old Jan 25, 2012, 02:30 PM
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Main gear?

May we use this main gear on v911?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/320669292059...84.m1423.l2649
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Old Jan 25, 2012, 03:03 PM
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Open Letter to WL Toys

So, let me see if I get this right... The letter to WL Toys would go something like this:

Dear WL Toys,

We love your v911 helicopter, the ONLY things we would like to see change are:
  • A canopy that doesn't say CORTER, and less noisy
  • A canopy that is light weight and won't crack
  • An Xtreme head rotor
  • An Xtreme CF flybar that won't sag, with adjustable weights
  • A pair of pivoting indestructible blades
  • A more precise shaft with no vertical play
  • A main gear that doesn't warp
  • A stronger brushless motor
  • A new frame to hold that brushless motor
  • A redesigned Rx board for that brushless motor
  • A new tail motor and rotor to match that brushless motor
  • A stronger tail boom and a new motor mount for that tail motor
  • A perfectly balanced tail rotor
  • An unbreakable skid
  • A new battery holder that holds a different kind of battery
  • A couple of batteries of higher capacity (>160mAh)
  • A new charger to charge the different kind of battery
  • A complete redesign of the swash plate that won't separate
  • A longer servo arm
  • Plugs or everything so no soldering require
  • Glue-Free assembly
  • Lose weight
  • Add thrust
  • Add a BNF version
  • Add a carrying case
  • Eliminate flybar strikes
  • Change the Tx so that it doesn't say Mode1 and defaults to Adv servo
  • Eliminate the loud beeps
  • Hire a QA department
  • Rewrite the manual in readable English
  • Provide comprehensive parts support
  • Add certification and declaration of conformity
  • And... keep the price low

Other than that, we really like what you've done with the v911. Excellent job on the tail fin, by the way, which I keep safely in my tool box.

Sincerely,

Loyal V911 Owners Circle.



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Old Jan 25, 2012, 03:13 PM
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I have a few more basic questions, since I'm seriously considering buying the V911, but reading 128 pages of random discussion is a bit too much, I hope you guys don't mind...

What are the recommended flight and cooldown times?
Since it comes with 2 batteries, is it safe to just switch batteries and continue flying, or should there also be an x-minute cooldown to give the motors some rest?
If it doesn't need a cooldown between batteries, and I were to buy some extra, how many flights can it take in a row? Or with cooldowns?

Any extra tips or info for a 4CH newbie are always welcome

Thanks in advance!
Different heli's, and condition of heli and motors is the main factor to consider. With manufacturing tolerances and "condition" of one's heli... there's no One answer to that question, so after a flight... I just use the "Finger" test on the Tail Motor mostly.
My n0.1 V911 is quite abused... so after 1 battery the Tail motor is quite hot to touch! so I let it cool-down for a minute or two, then go tearing aboot again!
I have an extra Tail Motor, but I'm putting-off installing it until mine dies. lol
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Old Jan 25, 2012, 03:16 PM
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So, let me see if I get this right... The letter to WL Toys would go something like this:

Dear WL Toys,

We love your v911 helicopter, the ONLY things we would like to see change are:
  • A canopy that doesn't say CORTER, and less noisy
  • A canopy that is light weight and won't crack
  • An Xtreme head rotor
  • An Xtreme CF flybar that won't sag, with adjustable weights
  • A pair of pivoting indestructible blades
  • A more precise shaft with no vertical play
  • A main gear that doesn't warp
  • A stronger brushless motor
  • A new frame to hold that brushless motor
  • A redesigned Rx board for that brushless motor
  • A new tail motor and rotor to match that brushless motor
  • A stronger tail boom and a new motor mount for that tail motor
  • A perfectly balanced tail rotor
  • An unbreakable skid
  • A new battery holder that holds a different kind of battery
  • A couple of batteries of higher capacity (>160mAh)
  • A new charger to charge the different kind of battery
  • A complete redesign of the swash plate that won't separate
  • A longer servo arm
  • Plugs or everything so no soldering require
  • Glue-Free assembly
  • Lose weight
  • Add thrust
  • Add a BNF version
  • Add a carrying case
  • Eliminate flybar strikes
  • Change the Tx so that it doesn't say Mode1 and defaults to Adv servo
  • Eliminate the loud beeps
  • Hire a QA department
  • Rewrite the manual in readable English
  • Provide comprehensive parts support
  • Add certification and declaration of conformity
  • And... keep the price low

Other than that, we really like what you've done with the v911. Excellent job on the tail fin, by the way, which I keep safely in my tool box.

Sincerely,

Loyal V911 Owners Circle.



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... yeah right, give us all that and then lower the price down to 24.95$ ...

EDIT:
...when will people finally accept that you get what you pay for ... (and the list above makes a MSRP mCPx look cheap ...)
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Old Jan 25, 2012, 03:18 PM
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So, let me see if I get this right... The letter to WL Toys would go something like this:

Dear WL Toys,

We love your v911 helicopter, the ONLY things we would like to see change are:
  • A canopy that doesn't say CORTER, and less noisy
  • A canopy that is light weight and won't crack
  • An Xtreme head rotor
  • An Xtreme CF flybar that won't sag, with adjustable weights
  • A pair of pivoting indestructible blades
  • A more precise shaft with no vertical play
  • A main gear that doesn't warp
  • A stronger brushless motor
  • A new frame to hold that brushless motor
  • A redesigned Rx board for that brushless motor
  • A new tail motor and rotor to match that brushless motor
  • A stronger tail boom and a new motor mount for that tail motor
  • A perfectly balanced tail rotor
  • An unbreakable skid
  • A new battery holder that holds a different kind of battery
  • A couple of batteries of higher capacity (>160mAh) with Balance & Discharge Plug: JST-XH
  • A new charger to charge the different kind of battery with Balance & Discharge Plug: JST-XH
  • A complete redesign of the swash plate that won't separate
  • A longer servo arm
  • Plugs or everything so no soldering require
  • Glue-Free assembly
  • Lose weight
  • Add thrust
  • Add a BNF version
  • Add a carrying case
  • Eliminate flybar strikes
  • Change the Tx so that it doesn't say Mode1 and defaults to Adv servo
  • Eliminate the loud beeps
  • Hire a QA department
  • Rewrite the manual in readable English
  • Provide comprehensive parts support
  • Add certification and EC declaration of conformity
  • And... keep the price low

Other than that, we really like what you've done with the v911. Excellent job on the tail fin, by the way, which I keep safely in my tool box.

Sincerely,

Loyal V911 Owners Circle.



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If you allow I will add some minor adds - blue
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Old Jan 25, 2012, 03:23 PM
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So, let me see if I get this right... The letter to WL Toys would go something like this:

Dear WL Toys,

We love your v911 helicopter, the ONLY things we would like to see change are:
  • A canopy that doesn't say CORTER, and less noisy
  • A canopy that is light weight and won't crack
  • An Xtreme head rotor
  • An Xtreme CF flybar that won't sag, with adjustable weights
  • A pair of pivoting indestructible blades
  • A more precise shaft with no vertical play
  • A main gear that doesn't warp
  • A stronger brushless motor
  • A new frame to hold that brushless motor
  • A redesigned Rx board for that brushless motor
  • A new tail motor and rotor to match that brushless motor
  • A stronger tail boom and a new motor mount for that tail motor
  • A perfectly balanced tail rotor
  • An unbreakable skid
  • A new battery holder that holds a different kind of battery
  • A couple of batteries of higher capacity (>160mAh)
  • A new charger to charge the different kind of battery
  • A complete redesign of the swash plate that won't separate
  • A longer servo arm
  • Plugs or everything so no soldering require
  • Glue-Free assembly
  • Lose weight
  • Add thrust
  • Add a BNF version
  • Add a carrying case
  • Eliminate flybar strikes
  • Change the Tx so that it doesn't say Mode1 and defaults to Adv servo
  • Eliminate the loud beeps
  • Hire a QA department
  • Rewrite the manual in readable English
  • Provide comprehensive parts support
  • Add certification and declaration of conformity
  • And... keep the price low

Other than that, we really like what you've done with the v911. Excellent job on the tail fin, by the way, which I keep safely in my tool box.

Sincerely,

Loyal V911 Owners Circle.



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ROFLMAO - Yep, that about summs it up!!!

Truth be told, I adore my V911. It does exactly what I want it to do, no more - no less.
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Old Jan 25, 2012, 03:25 PM
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Main gear?

May we use this main gear on v911?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/320669292059...84.m1423.l2649
I have not tried to replace the maingear on my V911 yet, mine is Fine.
However, I thought that these Xtreme Delrin gears would be the ones to try on my V911 and SoloPro. I bought a set, but haven't tried them yet.

http://www.miracle-mart.com/store/in...oducts_id=7335
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Old Jan 25, 2012, 03:32 PM
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I have not tried to replace the maingear on my V911 yet, mine is Fine.
However, I thought that these Xtreme Delrin gears would be the ones to try on my V911 and SoloPro. I bought a set, but haven't tried them yet.

http://www.miracle-mart.com/store/in...oducts_id=7335
Little bit confuse me - this is not the same parts??
Your:
http://www.miracle-mart.com/store/in...oducts_id=7335

My:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320669292059...84.m1423.l2649
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