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Old Nov 28, 2011, 10:00 AM
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3D Flying. Getting More and More Popular? Or is the press now just catching on?

Here is a good read. Heck of a lot better than the FPV article they ran some time ago.

So what is your take on it?

http://www.airspacemag.com/flight-to...-to-Crash.html

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Old Nov 28, 2011, 10:02 AM
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Interesting stuff "The Kids are trying to crash" ?
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Old Nov 28, 2011, 10:09 AM
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Interesting stuff "The Kids are trying to crash" ?
Kinda a an odd title that's for sure, but I guess since you are flying at inches rather that feet off the ground, the casual observer sees it that way.

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Old Nov 28, 2011, 11:25 AM
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The 3D term has been misunderstood and misued for so long that very few people even truely undersatand what it means any more.

What is happening now is that post stall aerobatics are becoming part of a well-rounded game. I'm thinking that nowdays, "3D" is nothing more than a marketing term .... a buzz word used to sell stuff.

For those of us that fly extreme aerobatics, flying post stall aerobatics (3D) is just part of what you have to do to be a complete pilot. To have a well rounded program, you have to fly both precision and post stall aerobatics. In the end it is all just flying the airplane to the limit, and the pilot getting the most out of himself and his equipment.

Hopefully we will eventually stop it with all the marketing hooey and just call it flying, because that is what it is.
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Old Nov 28, 2011, 02:10 PM
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I don't know if I'd call 3D "flying".

def: 1. To engage in flight, especially:
a. To move through the air by means of wings or winglike parts.

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Old Nov 28, 2011, 04:13 PM
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I don't know if I'd call 3D "flying".

def: 1. To engage in flight, especially:
a. To move through the air by means of wings or winglike parts.

mw
Interesting isn't it? We take an airfoil and move it through the air linearly and we say it generates lift and we call it a wing. We take the same airfoil and fix one end so that the airfoil pivots around that point in a circular path and that lift is then called thrust and the wing is then called a propeller. Is there a real difference?

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Old Nov 28, 2011, 05:26 PM
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Interesting isn't it? We take an airfoil and move it through the air linearly and we say it generates lift and we call it a wing. We take the same airfoil and fix one end so that the airfoil pivots around that point in a circular path and that lift is then called thrust and the wing is then called a propeller. Is there a real difference?

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And for what it is worth, many so called 3d maneuvers clearly meet the definition that was given, even if you neglect the propeller.
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Old Nov 28, 2011, 07:13 PM
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The 3D term has been misunderstood and misued for so long that very few people even truely undersatand what it means any more.

What is happening now is that post stall aerobatics are becoming part of a well-rounded game. I'm thinking that nowdays, "3D" is nothing more than a marketing term .... a buzz word used to sell stuff.

For those of us that fly extreme aerobatics, flying post stall aerobatics (3D) is just part of what you have to do to be a complete pilot. To have a well rounded program, you have to fly both precision and post stall aerobatics. In the end it is all just flying the airplane to the limit, and the pilot getting the most out of himself and his equipment.

Hopefully we will eventually stop it with all the marketing hooey and just call it flying, because that is what it is.
For the newcomers to RCG, I suggest they look up some of Doc Austin's videos of him flying. The guy is scary crazy and scary good.
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Old Nov 28, 2011, 07:28 PM
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I love how he made up "The knife edge" as a maneuver where it is on it's side with nose pointed 45 degrees upward... That's like calling inverted flight, "The inverted".
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Old Nov 28, 2011, 07:29 PM
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I love how he made up "The knife edge" as a maneuver where it is on it's side with nose pointed 45 degrees upward... That's like calling inverted flight, "The inverted".
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Old Nov 28, 2011, 08:09 PM
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Knife edge is a real maneuver. You know, when the plane is flying and the wings are pointed straight up and down.
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Old Nov 28, 2011, 08:27 PM
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Good article, IMO. Raises some interesting points, for example the fact that very few 3D pilots build their own planes; they would never fly them that way if they did.

We westerners will take almost any sport or recreation to extremes, be it skiing, running, hiking, sailing... you name it. And it's usually the youngsters doing it or the occasional oldsters with money to burn.
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Old Nov 28, 2011, 09:09 PM
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Knife edge is a real maneuver. You know, when the plane is flying and the wings are pointed straight up and down.
That's not my point. It's not called "the knife edge", it's not any single maneuver, it's simply being in an attitude where the plane has the wings up and down. In other words, what the writer is describing is in a group of maneuvers... knife edge passes, loops, spins etc.
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Old Nov 28, 2011, 09:18 PM
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That's not my point. It's not called "the knife edge", it's not any single maneuver, it's simply being in an attitude where the plane has the wings up and down. In other words, what the writer is describing is in a group of maneuvers... knife edge passes, loops, spins etc.
Or just "Knife Edge". That's like saying that Harrier is only a group, like rolling harrier, inverted harrier, etc.
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Old Nov 28, 2011, 10:49 PM
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I never liked the term "harrier", I prefer high alpha.
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