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Old Jan 13, 2013, 05:21 PM
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Have you tried sealing over it with water based polyurethane clear varnish to stop it bleeding? I've used one called Ronseal DiamondHard (I like their silk finish one best).

I did a bit of red Sharpie detailing on the leading edge of the fin on my EasyGlider, come to think of it. I varnished over that and it's been okay, though I don't really need to handle it, which would make a difference.

I use washing up sponges cut into pieces to apply the varnish, as a disposable soft brush.
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Old Jan 13, 2013, 10:12 PM
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The sharpie isn't ideal. I have to wipe it down after flying or it will bleed. But touch ups are easy.

I originally used this red pen to recreate the A5 wing sticker on my park zone icon where I broke the wing. It faded out over the summer.

Then I read Firehawks post where he used one for the whole plane.

Any way, hopefully looks better than those hideous taxi stickers.
No signs of bleeding from my sharpie paint job, and it gets thoroughly wet every time. Maybe you are flying in a pond next to a solvent factory? I used the big oval shaped chisel tip sharpies though, maybe the ink is different?

Also, got a couple pics of the Icon sitting pretty today in its native habitat:
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 08:59 AM
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No signs of bleeding from my sharpie paint job, and it gets thoroughly wet every time. Maybe you are flying in a pond next to a solvent factory? I used the big oval shaped chisel tip sharpies though, maybe the ink is different?

Also, got a couple pics of the Icon sitting pretty today in its native habitat:
Looking good, Firehawk!

This IS South Carolina. I have no doubt that there are enough chems in lake Greenwood to degrease a diesel. My sharpie job was breaking down after one flight.

Andy, I like the sealing idea. Whatever's eating Sharpie probably has an appetite for varnish, but it's worth a shot. Except I'm still trying to get the swoop just right.
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Old Jan 25, 2013, 07:46 AM
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my battery is in the front and she seems the balance correctly, i keep hearing about the battery between the servos. any info would be helpfull
I grabbed a shot of my layout last trip to the lake. CG is 33mm from leading edge with this setup. Flies great.
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Old Jan 25, 2013, 10:30 PM
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Thanks. What battery is that, I use a li-power 1320 20c 11.1 cross ways just a little behind the front didn’t measure the GC lately but it’s where it was specked. Still looking for that sweet spot, I don’t think this airplane has one. But I still like it.
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 01:52 PM
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Thanks. What battery is that, I use a li-power 1320 20c 11.1 cross ways just a little behind the front didnít measure the GC lately but itís where it was specked. Still looking for that sweet spot, I donít think this airplane has one. But I still like it.
It's a 1300 pack that came with my parkzone supercub. I have two of those, and two new 1300 zippy "compacts". Compact zippys are larger than the standard PZ batts.

I try to buy planes with compatible battery needs, but it sometimes seems as though the mfg. conspires to make them unique.
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 08:23 AM
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Sharpie strikes again!

It's been bugging me that the cockpit interior is white. Also it takes on water. So I did the peel and re-seal on it, with a blackout Sharpie all around.

Sadly, it still leaks.
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 08:05 PM
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After seeing your 2 Icons side-by-side, like your pic below, and hearing you guys talk about how manueverable the "imposter" Icon is, I'm a little 'on the fence.'

I like the longer sponsons on the "official" PZ Icon, it looks better right out of the box, and I don't have to "wrench" on it to make it do what I want.
And the 53.5" wingspan is about perfect. The wings tear down on the PZ one, yet I can still fit my 49" Stinson in my 2013 Mustang GT's trunk without even folding down the back seat.

Damn you, Renfield!

Your side-by-side pics make it sorta' difficult...but thanks for the comparison...I think...
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 08:31 AM
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After seeing your 2 Icons side-by-side, like your pic below, and hearing you guys talk about how manueverable the "imposter" Icon is, I'm a little 'on the fence.'

I like the longer sponsons on the "official" PZ Icon, it looks better right out of the box, and I don't have to "wrench" on it to make it do what I want.
And the 53.5" wingspan is about perfect. The wings tear down on the PZ one, yet I can still fit my 49" Stinson in my 2013 Mustang GT's trunk without even folding down the back seat.

Damn you, Renfield!

Your side-by-side pics make it sorta' difficult...but thanks for the comparison...I think...


They both have their strengths. Out of box there's no comparison. The HK stickers are disgusting. The HK electronics are a crapshoot. I just replaced the (dying) stock HK elevator servo with an aileron servo from the PZ! And it's running a CC Phoenix 36 ESC. Stock one lasted one flight!

But the thing I notice most of all is how they fly. More specifically, how differently they fly. And how differently I fly them.

Best way I can describe it is that there's no "pucker factor" flying the HK. I sweat the PZ because it's more expensive, and because it's bitten me multiple times with the sudden tip stall. I fling that HK cutie around like there's no tomorrow. It stalls quite gently by comparison and alerts me of the coming stall better.

It also dresses up pretty well with a couple of sharpies.

Good luck with your choices! I'm still hoping to find the 71" Icon somewhere. Gotta complete the collection (Guanli doesn't count). Meanwhile, here's another resting shot between flights.
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 11:46 AM
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Nice pic!

Look at that wing span on the PKZ! With a longer arm moment, it could almost be a glider. Hmmm.... folding sailplane prop and ESC brake? Maybe a future experiment...

I LIKE the pucker factor. I can toss my Mini Ultrastick around all day. It's awesome - but it's not the kind of flying that I "like" to do. I like more the the T&G and pattern and exploring stuff.

I'm really looking forward to the arrival of that 'big box' in a few days!
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Old Feb 04, 2013, 02:21 PM
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Nice pic!

Look at that wing span on the PKZ! With a longer arm moment, it could almost be a glider.
LOL. It's a bit deceptive with the wide angle lens. Camera phone syndrome.

I thought this head on pic better represents the size differences. On the side angle it looks as though HK/NFD took a wild-azz guess at the hull design. No wonder the HK is so tough to get up on step without a water cannon!!!
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Old Feb 04, 2013, 08:14 PM
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Step? What step???

Ahh...maybe you mean those 'stab-lets' right under the rudder.

Man, you can sure see the design difference in that pic!

I think you and Thomas have said that it's fun to toss around...easier to fly.

I'd probably take one really cheap, or free, and "wrench" on it over some period of time like you guys have, until it flies the way I want.

I'm looking forward to learning the idiosyncracies of the PZ A5...and, of course, I'll flip the gyro or gear switch I configure for it on the really windy days for the 3-axis gyro I'll be installing in it.
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Old Feb 05, 2013, 04:28 PM
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LOL. It's a bit deceptive with the wide angle lens. Camera phone syndrome.

I thought this head on pic better represents the size differences. On the side angle it looks as though HK/NFD took a wild-azz guess at the hull design. No wonder the HK is so tough to get up on step without a water cannon!!!
Thanks for the side-on comparison shot! It really underscores why the HK Icon water-cannons so badly! Now I just have to figure out the best way to make the small Icon sponsons look and perform like the PZ version!
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Old Feb 06, 2013, 07:26 AM
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Thanks for the side-on comparison shot! It really underscores why the HK Icon water-cannons so badly! Now I just have to figure out the best way to make the small Icon sponsons look and perform like the PZ version!
I think it's more than just the sponsons. The hull itself is too shallow. Like they were guessing at everything below the water line.

If you check out the beautiful scale job in post #228, you'll see where Shigetyann built up both hull and sponsons.

Which, of course, is too much like work for my taste. I'll live with the sputtering

I pulled the trigger on a second HK Icon last night, and a 30 amp ESC. They're just soooo cute!

I probably need counseling.

If only I could find the big one for sale...
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Old Feb 06, 2013, 06:57 PM
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Which, of course, is too much like work for my taste.
Exactly why I haven't done anything with mine yet. I'm also worried about screwing up and making it look ugly, because it looks "so cute" right now, as you put it.

As for the counseling bit, we probably all do!
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