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Old Mar 30, 2012, 04:15 AM
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Old Mar 30, 2012, 04:47 AM
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hello,
can "one of the 3 foam guys"give me a "best guess" date for eta like, a couple of weeks, a couple of days or a week or so. any time reference would be better than what i have now. fixed income r/c funds get disbursed tomorrow and only last a very few days or i wouldn't bug you guys for a premium foam timeline.

thanks for an answer,
michael clyde
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Old Mar 30, 2012, 07:59 AM
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hello,
can "one of the 3 foam guys"give me a "best guess" date for eta like, a couple of weeks, a couple of days or a week or so. any time reference would be better than what i have now. fixed income r/c funds get disbursed tomorrow and only last a very few days or i wouldn't bug you guys for a premium foam timeline.

thanks for an answer,
michael clyde
The production source is doing some R&D to improve the quality reliability. Testing happening Monday. If all is well, then we may have stock by mid April.

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Old Mar 31, 2012, 11:39 AM
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first "crunched" box

Here's the pictures of the first box that was returned (by UPS, prior to delivery) due to damage. Looks like it may have got caught in the conveyor, as the corners are rounded as well as the major bend in middle. The foam is obviously not pristine, but looks to be useable with some work around the wrinkles. This is the only serious damage we've seen so far, and many have said they received their boxes with no damage at all - so far so good.

This leads me to a question: is there another form factor that may be more durable? One thought is to cut sheets in half (to 24x24) and ship a more conventional looking box that won't be as susceptible to bending, and may flow on conveyors better. Just for grins, what are all y'all's thoughts on that size? In other words how importiant is the 48" dimension to you? At this point we have no plans to change form factor at all, but i'm just wondering....
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Old Mar 31, 2012, 11:55 AM
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I think that the long dimension should be not less than 32" but prefer 48". 32" is a convienient number I hav gotten accustomed to working with from cutting 4x8 sheets in thirds for easy transport. Makes nice 64" wings...

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Old Mar 31, 2012, 12:02 PM
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Oh, by the way... That was MY box, and boy did they do a number on it! This is the first I have seen of it, as it was returned to MPF before delivery was even attempted. Just as well, as I would not have been happy to receive that mess. Yes, a lot of it looks to be usable, but as noted in th previous post I like to work with longer parts, and that box would not get you there.

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Old Mar 31, 2012, 12:05 PM
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If you reduced the size, I wouldn't want it. I'd rather take my chances on the shipping damage.
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Old Mar 31, 2012, 12:37 PM
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Here's the pictures of the first box that was returned (by UPS, prior to delivery) due to damage. Looks like it may have got caught in the conveyor, as the corners are rounded as well as the major bend in middle. The foam is obviously not pristine, but looks to be useable with some work around the wrinkles. This is the only serious damage we've seen so far, and many have said they received their boxes with no damage at all - so far so good.

This leads me to a question: is there another form factor that may be more durable? One thought is to cut sheets in half (to 24x24) and ship a more conventional looking box that won't be as susceptible to bending, and may flow on conveyors better. Just for grins, what are all y'all's thoughts on that size? In other words how importiant is the 48" dimension to you? At this point we have no plans to change form factor at all, but i'm just wondering....
24x24 would be too small.

24 inches would be too limiting in the length of the fuselage parts and would restrict the plane size to around a 28 inch wingspan.

24x30 might work. That would allow enough length for the fuselage parts to make up to a 36 inch wingspan 3d type plane.
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Old Mar 31, 2012, 01:34 PM
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Good comments, guys. I'm assuming that you're thinking wing on a diagonal. I was thinking two piece wings so a 48" could be done. At this point 24x48 is what the process produces, and any changes to a different length would probably be costly, so I think we can expect no changes in the basic size. Cutting them in half is something we could do in the barn with no scrap, so seemed a possibility. Thanks for the inputs.

JP: Yeah, I think you might have been just a bit disapointed getting that box! Sorry you have to wait, but soon as the next shipment comes in...
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Old Mar 31, 2012, 02:05 PM
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For shipping purposes and for relatively low cost shipping containers,
I have decided to go with 24x16 and use 16" pizza boxes.
It yeilds 3 sheets per sheet of MPF.

4 ea 12" x 24 sheets leave a longer and more damageable format IMHO
and no good, low cost box choices. Longer is a killer for overseas posts.

Only 3 inches taller than 13" depron sheets but 15" narrower.

There is no other easy way to divide it up IMHO and still get
more compactness and gain a bit more damage resistant size.

Some parts will simply have to be segmented.
I figure that if you don't trust glue you cant build anything anyway.

Bob
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Old Mar 31, 2012, 03:11 PM
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My foam arrived in perfect condition and overall it sounds like the percentage that had damage of any import was fairly small. I really like the current size and would hate to see it change.
Can the returned goods now be inspected, cut down, and resold for those that may like smaller sheets?
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Old Mar 31, 2012, 03:13 PM
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I say keep it 24"x48"
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Old Mar 31, 2012, 04:00 PM
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I was NOT suggesting that MPF change their size.

I was simply talking about my use of their foam form factor.

I seriously doubt that Adams would be willing to make any serious changes anyway.

Bob
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Old Mar 31, 2012, 04:05 PM
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me too, their process isn't set up to do custom cuts. Anything beside 2'x4' size would be something we would do, so there would have to be some serious demand to warrant it.
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Old Mar 31, 2012, 07:37 PM
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Unhappy with UPS shipping!

Would you beleive UPS has refused to cover any damage, saying it should be packaged in a double corregated box that is spaced out from the foam by 2" in every direction! That would more than double the boxing and shipping charges. Then they top it off by charging us return shiping. We have paid near $30 to have them flod a box of our foam in half and give it back. I'm not feeling the love, from UPS. Much more of this and we will be looking for a new shipper. Even the USPS does not charge to return an undeliverable package.

Excuse my rant but when your trying to run a lean low margin business you don't need that kind of help!
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