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Old May 21, 2012, 09:53 AM
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So, which GWS would you recommend for an 12-year-old??
Count me in as well. I am in exactly the same position. I need a plane for my 8 yr old boy. He knows the basic control movments and does pretty well on the SIM.
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Old May 21, 2012, 09:56 AM
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My first ARF was the GWS J3F Cub. It looks semi scale and as easy to fly as the Beaver. They're both very light but the Beaver weighs about 20% more in case you want to risk crashes and fly in light winds. The Beaver is also more rugged. Either of those are good choices as well as the Slow Stick.
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Old May 21, 2012, 10:07 AM
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I admire you Vince for doing all you can to help a buddy. I've a few mishaps too teaching the neighborhood kids how to fly. Sometimes, we have to start with a slow flyer no matter the desire to see control your own jet as a first plane... in the first 4 minutes of this jet, the first time pilot can't even taxi properly and the guys filming should have stopped him there. Cut to the 4:00 and watch the rest.... I would have tried and show some compassion and not laugh at the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E_u3yKZflI
LOL, my friend's kid did a bit better than the guy in the clip. He spent a few hours on a sim so he knew the basic. But no matter how much you emphasize on "be gentle on the sticks", kids won't listen. I hand tossed the F35 and then he applied full right aileron with no elevator input. The planes spun like a torpedo and darted into ground. The damage was minor considering the speed at impact.

That's the other problem I have with all these RTFs sold by HK, BH or NP. The airframes are good but come with junky electrics. The 55mm EDF in the Blitzwork F-35 is not balanced, fan rubbing the hosing badly, and not even glued to the fuselage. The ESC hangs inside the body between two ends- the battery and EDF, no glue, and the plugs are loosely connected. I did my best to correct the EDF but the ESC was put in by the factory before the fuselage was assembled. I couldn't reach the ESC unless cutting the foam. So I image one day the battery plug broke loose, the ESC suck in by the EDF and then create a big firework in the air! he servos, control arms, hones, connecting rods are pre-installed but not centered. The instruction was terribly written showing nothing on how you trim the plane in flight. It did mention the location of CG but I guess none of the newbie knows how to balance it or pays attention to it. So young and new RCer allured by the fancy EDFs pays top dollar (in his case $200 plus shipping for the plane, Tx/Rx, two batteries and a junk charger that caught fire at the very first charge in my basement, ) for these, and then their dream lives for only 5 seconds.

Sorry for the lengthy rant....I knew my friend works very hard to support his family and to cover the huge medical bill he got recently. He bought that plane in order to distract his son from the strong "promotion" of Mother's day. I just felt he got robbed by those "Hobby Specialists" on Youtube and Facebook.
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Old May 21, 2012, 10:20 AM
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A lot of good info! Thanks!

He is not attracted by the slow stick. He came down to my basement and looked at my planes, all scale, immediately he wanted to fly either a warbird or a stun plane (pitts or Yak 54). I showed him the J3 Cub and he said "no"! So I let him picked up the not-GWS P47 for controllable damage.

Anyway. Just called his father to confirm the order of the EPP trainer. I think the kid would want to move to low wing after that. Besides, Headsuprc does not carry Beaver.

Anyone with good experience with GWS At-6? or A-10?
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Old May 21, 2012, 10:29 AM
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But no matter how much you emphasize on "be gentle on the sticks", kids won't listen.
It's not even like you can tell him ' Treat it like you would treat a lady' at that age either. Gentle at first, don't get rough till you know what you're doing!
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Old May 21, 2012, 10:37 AM
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The Beaver has been discontinued, I believe.

How bout a small Pico Stick to learn on. It may not be too appealing to him, but heck, he's destined to crash a few times anyway while learning to fly. It need not be a scale looking model.

Ditto on the Slow Stick as well, once he has success with it he may even like the SS afterall. It is how me and countless others have earned their wings.
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Old May 21, 2012, 10:37 AM
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It's not even like you can tell him ' Treat it like you would treat a lady' at that age either. Gentle at first, don't get rough till you know what you're doing!
So you're saying move the stick gently at first, then when you know how she responds, you can bang away, bank and yank all you want?
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Old May 21, 2012, 10:41 AM
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Slow Sticks are heaveir for beginners. Crashes cause more damage - the plastic mount and aluminum tube, and with no foam, no energy to transfer to on head on impact. I broke the shaft on my maiden Slow Stick flight where the Cub just resulted in a slightly loosened stick motor mount.
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Old May 21, 2012, 11:03 AM
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Davylah and Leabres:

As soon as I finished my post. I knew the "gentle" stuff will come out!

But, I will leave that father-son conversation to my friend, a good advice may come in handy for a 12-year-old boy studies in public school. LOL.

By the same token, I want to clarify that "Slow Stick" refers to GWS' ARF..
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Old May 21, 2012, 11:41 AM
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He is not attracted by the slow stick. He came down to my basement and looked at my planes, all scale, immediately he wanted to fly either a warbird or a stun plane (pitts or Yak 54).
When I was looking for my first car my dad nixed a "56 Corvette and I ended up with a "57 Ford instead.
It turned out to be a wise choice due to the large back seat.
Still I'd love to have that Vette today.
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Old May 21, 2012, 05:55 PM
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I am just about ready to pick up another GWS plane. I have been looking online and trying to decide which one. Is there a big differance between the Formosa I and II?
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Old May 21, 2012, 07:15 PM
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I am just about ready to pick up another GWS plane. I have been looking online and trying to decide which one. Is there a big differance between the Formosa I and II?
Bigger everything. You'll have to use a more powerful motor and ESC, bigger servos. It'll handle wind better than the Mosa 1 if you like wind. I still have my Mosa 1 in the box, waiting, laerning to get all what I can out of the Mosa 1. Right now it's doing 3 snap rolls a second and next will be rolling slow harriers and after that snap outside loops and after that I'll start (hope) to start doing the advance stuff.
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Old May 21, 2012, 07:16 PM
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Old May 21, 2012, 07:56 PM
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Thanks for the input. The site I am looking at didn't really list out the differance. Just a large price differance. I know the gear I have will fit most of the GWS warbirds, and I think the Formosa I. Im going to check my LHS tomorrow and see what they have in stock. I have fallen in love with the new ultra micros this year but I need something that can handle a little wind.
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Old May 21, 2012, 09:12 PM
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I have a formosa 2 almost ready fly, but i don't think it has enough motor I put its tale on a scale and it weights about 900 grams when I go to full throttle it goes down to about 500 grams. Does anyone think that enough thrust to hand launch? this is the motor and esc I have in it with a 8/6 prop

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXAUFX&P=0

thanks for any help
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