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Old Oct 24, 2011, 12:40 PM
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Here's one that's close to my heart...because at one time I worked for a division of Lancair (Columbia) and was planning on building one for myself...full scale.

Lancair 360/Legacy 2000. It's a hot ship! Sexy and gorgeous IMO.
Bud,

Love the 360! Essentially - sex with wings attached. Never have had the chance to fly one (or even ride in one). But a guy can always dream...

Joel
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 12:51 PM
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Idly musing, I'd like to see a a 14 or 16" Fokker Dr I, in factory livery, without dihedral and a perilously aftwards CG.

Or a UM Harrier that can hover but there are serious engineering challenges involved; while the body of the Harrier is (was) very wide you could probably fid a shrouded 5070 prop in there and still call it a micro.
But how do you control it while in hover? If you fit 2 counter rotating motors inside you could control the roll axis with torque but what about pitch and yaw?
The real Harrier bleeds compressed air from the turbine and controls its attitude via nozzles in tail and wing tips but I don't see that happening on a small model.

What I really want is an ultra micro version of the E-Flite electrical retracts..
I think a lightweight Harrier could be done without those nozzles in tail and wing.
Bit too much engineering involved but what the heck
50mm EDF -> 34cm span, 56cm span (approx).

Here's a system that a German guy designed:
One EDF, four thrusters controlled by 2 servos. Left/ right each has 1.

"Action" starts from 2:30.

Harrier - RC-Impeller Antrieb (4 min 5 sec)
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 12:59 PM
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Bud,

Love the 360! Essentially - sex with wings attached. Never have had the chance to fly one (or even ride in one). But a guy can always dream...

Joel
Hey, hey, if you ever come up north, I'll let you fly my good old Electrifly Lancair! The only fiberglass/balsa airplane in my fleet (and basically the reason why it's still in top shape today, except the cowl). Have not flown it in the last two years, since I broke the propeller (little ooops moment) and never replaced it. Now, I'm getting the itch to go shopping for one before winter!
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 01:23 PM
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Hey, hey, if you ever come up north, I'll let you fly my good old Electrifly Lancair! The only fiberglass/balsa airplane in my fleet (and basically the reason why it's still in top shape today, except the cowl). Have not flown it in the last two years, since I broke the propeller (little ooops moment) and never replaced it. Now, I'm getting the itch to go shopping for one before winter!
Considering what I thought he might offer, that was a tame post.

I'd love to see more WWII birds, LIKE A UM STUKA! I might save a few bucks for a brick to go into the Guillow's 16.5" conversion I've currently got pinned to the board...
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 01:28 PM
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I think a lightweight Harrier could be done without those nozzles in tail and wing.
Bit too much engineering involved but what the heck
50mm EDF -> 34cm span, 56cm span (approx).

Here's a system that a German guy designed:
One EDF, four thrusters controlled by 2 servos. Left/ right each has 1.

"Action" starts from 2:30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PWtvbqbIUg
I've given it a bit more thought and I suppose it could theoretically be possible with existing components, basically by tilting a mCX 90 degrees forward.
Divide exhaust into four equal parts each leading to one of four nozzles, cyclic control then distributes thrust as needed.
Counter rotating shrouded props provide roll authority by torque.
The above gives control in forwar/backward and side to side translation, and roll.
We lack yaw so we need to 2 servos to operate the port and starboard nozzles in opposition.

The mCX doesn't have much spare power so even a proof of concept mock-up would be iffy, additionally it's 4 channels so no transition from hover to FF, and it lacks a couple of gyros..

But in theory..
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 02:44 PM
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i would like them try and make this
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 03:00 PM
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Pouncer, you do have yaw.
See left and right thrusters as tracks of a tank Left two forward, right two rearward = left yaw.
Pitch is done by a valve controlling airflow to rear and front thrusters.

Maybe a little off topic (this post) but the last ten years have proven that dreams come true
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 03:00 PM
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Piaggio Avanti

As Sophia Loren is to women, the Avanti is to planes.
http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace...anti-9599.aspx
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 03:13 PM
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Pouncer, you do have yaw.
See left and right thrusters as tracks of a tank Left two forward, right two rearward = left yaw.
Pitch is done by a valve controlling airflow to rear and front thrusters.

Maybe a little off topic (this post) but the last ten years have proven that dreams come true
Yeah that's why I figured 2 servos were needed for the thrusters.
But I thought some more and if we have this level of control over the nozzles we can ditch the cyclic pitch completely and no need for valves:

Forward/backward translation by rotating the thruster backwards and forwards respectively.
Side to side by propeller torque.
Yaw by thrusters in opposition, like you described.

Horizon, are you taking notes ?
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 03:19 PM
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Maybe Lockheed L-133.
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 04:05 PM
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 04:52 PM
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I'll go primitive: Fokker DR-1. Maybe it's nothing outlandish, but it seems that most descriptions of them indicate they're pretty squirrely, and this might tame one in a UM size.
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 05:30 PM
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Arrows are flyable now. I have a 19" version (hey that's micro scale for a CF-105). It has a roll wobble issue that a gyro would probably clear easily.

I can't believe no one has yet suggested a V-173 or even better the XF5U Flying Pancake! I tried a V-173 but had problems with roll response, tucking, and matching the thrust well enough to control yaw.
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 05:58 PM
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Arrows are flyable now. I have a 19" version (hey that's micro scale for a CF-105). It has a roll wobble issue that a gyro would probably clear easily.

I can't believe no one has yet suggested a V-173 or even better the XF5U Flying Pancake! I tried a V-173 but had problems with roll response, tucking, and matching the thrust well enough to control yaw.
probably because it's too unmentionably ugly?
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Old Oct 24, 2011, 06:15 PM
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Arrows are flyable now. I have a 19" version (hey that's micro scale for a CF-105). It has a roll wobble issue that a gyro would probably clear easily.

I can't believe no one has yet suggested a V-173 or even better the XF5U Flying Pancake! I tried a V-173 but had problems with roll response, tucking, and matching the thrust well enough to control yaw.
that wold be cool
btw I think it looks fine
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