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Old Oct 20, 2011, 10:43 AM
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Horizon Hobbies AS3X

Sorry if this is a repeat thread, I looked but didn't see an existing thread.

What is everyone's thoughts on the Horizon Hobbies AS3X technology? It appears to me to be a 3 axis gyro stabilization system. I've thought of doing this with heli gyros on the aileron and rudder axis of my scratch built foamy but couldn't figure out how to get it to work on the elevator axis. The last thing I'd want is to stall and have the gyro try and keep the nose high. Any idea how/if the AS3X overcomes this?
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 11:44 AM
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I just watched the video and gotta say I'm really looking forward to this. Especially with the beast and Gee Bee. If it acts like they are saying, it will be a big improvement on some of these UM planes.
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 11:49 AM
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Way to cool. This opens up for almost anything to be built as a micro and be stable enough to fly. This is another milestone for the hobby, atleast the micro side of the hobby.
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 12:00 PM
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Here is some info I posted on another (heli) forum, so I apologise if it is a touch out of context... but I thought you guys may appreciate the perspective... Hope you do... Best Regards,
David

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Hey, look, I am not a marketing guy, and I don't decide what to do with that effort. From my point of view, it was fun to watch something get hyped up, and get attention for all the cool stuff we have been working on.
Did I expect some negative folks to come on after the build up... of course. It is the internet, and it is inevitable!! No surprise there.

As you can see as the web pages update... The hype is really about AS3X coming to aircraft... and one had to be picked to be the focal point IMO, so the VTOL would be a good choice... But is about all three of the initial product, showing 3 capabilities of AS3X
-Take a 3D VTOL plane that would be very unstable, and extremely hard to succeed with for all but the worlds top pilots and make it fun and approachable for everyone. the Hyper Taxi
-Take a known aerobatic plane that flies very well, but shows the limits of scale aerobatics, wing loading, etc, and make it do aerobatics better... AND add in 3D as it never could before even with the best pilots! (the Beast)
-Take a scale racer that is stubby and known to be a handful, but still an appealing plane, and make it fly beautifilly and gracefully. The Gee Bee

Look at the big picture, and try AS3X before you conclude it is over hyped.... I will say, it IS a big deal!

Hyper Taxi:
Keep in mind, it is like nothing before it, No one has offered a BNF (convenient) Ultra Micro VTOL aircraft that comes out of the box with a fully programmed and very carefully tuned flight control system that lets a basic DX4e Tx fly a very sophisiticated aircraft
You won't get it until you fly it. We had some VERY high end (outside HH) pilots, as well as some very average pilots fly the new products just last last friday. They all were blown away. It is not 'just a gyro'. There is a lot of cool software and tuning going on. It is also light, simple, and easy to use. Try it before you draw a conclusion!

Now the AR7200BX and B450 X... for this crowd... they ROCK!!! Wow, what performance, what value... state of the art Beast X technology, high end DSMX, Clean simple light install.... 440 motor and great carbon blades out of the box... It is sweet.

The mSR X, Really a ton of fun, and very different than the mSR. Very stabile in hover, but NO coax type return to hover. Go where you point it FBL feel (very similar to MCP X in normal flight due to AS3X). Great power and speed. Very durable.

New Beast biplane and Gee Bee fly unbelievable with AS3X... It is really a new day. Transparent to the user, just flies like a big very well tuned aircraft.

Have Fun,
David
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 12:14 PM
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The 3D Beast and Gee Bee look awesome. Are we going to see this technology in the park flyer size planes?
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 12:21 PM
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The new mSRx looks to have a lot of potential. It just might be all that and a bag of chips, as they say. It may well set the standard for affordable FP helis - I sure hope so
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 12:46 PM
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I'd assume we'll see this move in to the Parkzone line of 1s aircraft as well. I think it's a VERY interesting, dare I say obvious concept to gyro-stabilize a UM size aircraft. The "software" piece is a funny tease. I'm still curious if the planes try to maintain a nose-high attitude in a stall and if they don't how this is overcome. The obvious answer would be an AOA sensor but at this price/size I doubt it.
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 12:46 PM
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Here is some info I posted on another (heli) forum, so I apologise if it is a touch out of context... but I thought you guys may appreciate the perspective... Hope you do... Best Regards,
David

------------------------------------------------------------------
Hey, look, I am not a marketing guy, and I don't decide what to do with that effort. From my point of view, it was fun to watch something get hyped up, and get attention for all the cool stuff we have been working on.
Did I expect some negative folks to come on after the build up... of course. It is the internet, and it is inevitable!! No surprise there.

As you can see as the web pages update... The hype is really about AS3X coming to aircraft... and one had to be picked to be the focal point IMO, so the VTOL would be a good choice... But is about all three of the initial product, showing 3 capabilities of AS3X
-Take a 3D VTOL plane that would be very unstable, and extremely hard to succeed with for all but the worlds top pilots and make it fun and approachable for everyone. the Hyper Taxi
-Take a known aerobatic plane that flies very well, but shows the limits of scale aerobatics, wing loading, etc, and make it do aerobatics better... AND add in 3D as it never could before even with the best pilots! (the Beast)
-Take a scale racer that is stubby and known to be a handful, but still an appealing plane, and make it fly beautifilly and gracefully. The Gee Bee

Look at the big picture, and try AS3X before you conclude it is over hyped.... I will say, it IS a big deal!

Hyper Taxi:
Keep in mind, it is like nothing before it, No one has offered a BNF (convenient) Ultra Micro VTOL aircraft that comes out of the box with a fully programmed and very carefully tuned flight control system that lets a basic DX4e Tx fly a very sophisiticated aircraft
You won't get it until you fly it. We had some VERY high end (outside HH) pilots, as well as some very average pilots fly the new products just last last friday. They all were blown away. It is not 'just a gyro'. There is a lot of cool software and tuning going on. It is also light, simple, and easy to use. Try it before you draw a conclusion!

Now the AR7200BX and B450 X... for this crowd... they ROCK!!! Wow, what performance, what value... state of the art Beast X technology, high end DSMX, Clean simple light install.... 440 motor and great carbon blades out of the box... It is sweet.

The mSR X, Really a ton of fun, and very different than the mSR. Very stabile in hover, but NO coax type return to hover. Go where you point it FBL feel (very similar to MCP X in normal flight due to AS3X). Great power and speed. Very durable.

New Beast biplane and Gee Bee fly unbelievable with AS3X... It is really a new day. Transparent to the user, just flies like a big very well tuned aircraft.

Have Fun,
David
I admit at first I was a little disappointed in the whole hyper taxi thing, but then once I got over that I realized that now we have a UM sized 2S brushless brick with a built-in 3-axis gyro! This opens up a ton of possibilities for new aircraft that aren't inherently stable! (Could the first UMX EDF be a B2 Stealth bomber?) Also, if the video gear is small/light enough, this could have opened the door to stable UM FPV! The new Beast and GeeBee look great too!

Also interested to see how the mSR X works out!

Another thing that just popped into my head: would this brick not allow you to make say a 120 sized 2S brushless FBL heli with a shaft driven variable pitch tail?
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 12:47 PM
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It's exactly the kind of stuff I was talking about a year ago,As a programmer I was wondering when someone was going to show up, trow a mems gyro and some awesome software together and make this awesome mix, however I do have one question....


Hyper Taxi?! Now the plane is fine, the theme I just can't take seriously I was imagining you made something like this....but the paint job is a bit funny, did you do it for visibility? I would not mind an anti-Taxi Hyper Taxi, with a style much like that you would see in a blade chopper, sharp lines, Red or blue theme (maybe both?) and a edgy feel. Someday maybe?
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 02:28 PM
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I am just concerned on servo failures due to the demand from them with the new gyro. The planes will be using them a lot more for corrections, and will put more strain, and also less flight time. We will see!


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Old Oct 20, 2011, 02:31 PM
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I am just concerned on servo failures due to the demand from them with the new gyro. The planes will be using them a lot more for corrections, and will put more strain, and also less flight time. We will see!


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new servos, Dave Eichstedt confirmed this in another thread. The only downside is the slightly increased current draw from the gyros and servos constantly moving.
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 02:35 PM
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Can I have one to test? I want to see just how effective the 3 axis gyro really is.
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 05:27 PM
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I think the Beast 3D is gona be awesome, i didn't get one because i'm not interested in it if i cant make it hover. But this sure looks like a winner. BUT PUT IT IN PARKFLYERS! I want a mini beast, say 1000mm-1200mm size Z-foam beast! or even an E-balsa in that size with this technology and i will snap it up!
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 05:44 PM
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New servos? Are they the type from the MCPx or another type altogether?
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 05:58 PM
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whats more interesting is the technology behind the name.
Thats a gyro+accel to keep em stable I suppose. Probably similar to whats in the mcpx but tuned. I haven't seen the explanation somewhere yet so, excuse my noobiness if its been told ;p
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