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Old Oct 12, 2012, 05:30 AM
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I wonder if you are using NiMH batteries in your Devo 8? The NiMH batteries have a lower voltage rating than normal pen cells. Therefore they reach the the warning voltage much earlier. A 8.4V lipo is better but some will work and some won't
My 2200mah are NiMH Rayovac Platinum 1.2 volt. Yes the voltage is lower than standard battery, but last longer and are chargeable so they are more convenient.
The hour I get is when programming a heli. When setting up my 600, I spent a lot of time setting up the head and stabilization system. After an hour with the back lite on full time, voltage gets low.
When flying, I can fly all my models without problems and I plug into the charger when not in use anyway.

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Am I the only one flying with foamies?

A fresh pair out of the plastic works well but eventually I get many blues and many reds that are not of the same pair. It's hard to match up a pair that will fly with no vibes. Any idea why this is? Since most crashes only break one blade so I have a pile of single blades and it's hard to find a match.

I like the foamies over the stock plastic blades because the responsiveness is quicker. The foamies simply pop the heli around while the plastic blades is like flying Mrs. Daisy.
I tried a set. I found the hover and lower speed was a little more stable than stock blades, but I seemed to get some funny action from the Gyro as the head speed increased. I changed the the 130X blades and did not have the issue.
Possibly I could have adjust the gain lower, but didn't try that. And no, I didn't balance them, just tried as they came.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 10:15 AM
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@IntegrityHndywrk, heli's are looking good mate, I don't know if it would work but a dremel fine sanding disc or some wet and dry sand paper could remove some of the plastic on the root, or a dremel then wet and dry to smooth it out?. I've heard the tail authority on the D05 isn't all that great without mods, what are people using on the D05 thread?

Can I ask where you got those main blade holders for the 120 size heli's? I like how the blades sit side by side rather than one above the other!
Yeah, i'm sure i can work out a way to grind them down. I just figure someone might have a useful technique for trying to make sure both blades get ground down the same mount, weight close to the same, and tack properly. I'm probably over thinking it.

The blade holder is a Microheli holder for a 250 size heli. You can get them almost anywhere. I think i got mine from wow.

The D05's tail hold is not as good as the D02S. The stock D05 does not fly well at all. The RX is bunk so it don't hold the tail or invert and the motor needs an upgrade to hold the tail better because increased head speed = exponentially increased tail speed, because of the tail ratio. But since the D05's tail only spins 2.3ish turns for every one turn on the main rotor instead of 3-5 turns. The tail does have a tendency to kick out some times in hard pitch changes. But it's not bad with the motor and new RX. However, unless you LOVE to tinker and upgrade things OR if you happen own a V1 or V2 D05 already.. It's best just to buy a D02S. In many ways i really do enjoy the D05CS more than my D02S. Considering that i have over $500 invested in the D05 just in the BNF heli and upgrades. So it's not cheap. But, with a sheer pin installed on the main gear, the heli really is more durable than the D02S because the tail boom is solid and not CF. But otherwise. The d02S is capable of holding the tail better still! So hard tic-tocks are more likely on the D02S over the D05CS. The main reason for my D05 build log and upgrading this heli was because i am a hard core tinker type. So i wanted to fix the D05 so that everyone with it in their closet, who just tossed this lemon in a box. Giving people a way to make it a very viable heli, since Walkera wouldn't. There are mods to amplify the tail gear ratio and things like that. But they are too involved and require too much modification work each time. One mod included cutting the belt drive gear off of the D05's main gear and glue/screwing it to the bottom of the D02S main gear after grinding the cone gears off the bottom to make it flat. Over all this worked and you could use a d02S pinion and fly the heli using the belt tail. But if you ruin the gear, you have to do all that work over again. It's bad enough i use the D02S rotor head and have to drill the main gears to fit the new shaft.

Here is a flight from yesterday on the D05CS08
V120D05CS08 - inverted flight & 3d with crash (0 min 0 sec)


V120D05CS08 Upgrades include:
2622V RX from the D02S
Full D02S Rotor head, blades, main shaft and main gear was modified to fit.
HP08-S 16,500kv motor
Other misc upgrades to skids and aesthetics.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 10:20 AM
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Am I the only one flying with foamies?

A fresh pair out of the plastic works well but eventually I get many blues and many reds that are not of the same pair. It's hard to match up a pair that will fly with no vibes. Any idea why this is? Since most crashes only break one blade so I have a pile of single blades and it's hard to find a match.

I like the foamies over the stock plastic blades because the responsiveness is quicker. The foamies simply pop the heli around while the plastic blades is like flying Mrs. Daisy.
I did for a while. They have issues with the plastic support brace on the root moving around creating the problems you described. Plus they are not very rigid or durable. I've been flying the same stock blades for months with dozens of crashes on them. One cracked on the trailing edge and i CAed it back together and sanded it smooth again. The foam blades are also wider so that is probably why they feel like they "pop" more for you. You sure you don't want to try the CF blades again? I can always send them back, whats left anyway. They will likely provide the more stable flight with the "pop" you are feeling from the foam blades. But they are heavier so you might not like them either.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 12:22 PM
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The blade holder is a Microheli holder for a 250 size heli. You can get them almost anywhere. I think i got mine from wow.
I just mount a vise on my mil, put a pin in the vise to hold the blade, and mount a sanding disc in the drill chuck. It keeps it straight and easy to control depth of cut.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 01:38 PM
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I ve just installed the benmlee's clutch, have you used the optional gear shim behind tail shaft??I ve used mine but i think b-c gears are very tight now.I have no smooth spinning when i rotate the tail rotor with my hand>Clutch is not too tight.
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May sounds like an odd question, but what are the elastic bands for that come with the Xtreme skids lol!
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 02:06 PM
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I ve just installed the benmlee's clutch, have you used the optional gear shim behind tail shaft??I ve used mine but i think b-c gears are very tight now.I have no smooth spinning when i rotate the tail rotor with my hand>Clutch is not too tight.

There is no reason to run the "B" and "C" gears tight.. Next time buy my clutch..
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 02:36 PM
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Thats advertising Bob Can't comment on benmlee's clutch but yours is good mate I've ordered a new outer collar (snapped the screw head of mine so will need a new one eventually) along with some spare servo's, yellow KDBB blades, blade holder and a few other bits!
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 03:14 PM
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I ve just installed the benmlee's clutch, have you used the optional gear shim behind tail shaft?? ve used mine but i think b-c gears are very tight now.I have no smooth spinning when i rotate the tail rotor with my hand>Clutch is not too tight.

There is no reason to run the "B" and "C" gears tight.. Next time buy my clutch..
If you take a look to your mailing paypal list you will see that you i ve bought your clutch also.And if you see my v120s youtube videos you will see that i I am continuously advertising your clutch eg like this video here http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?feature=mhee .Bob has made incredible work with the clutch (he have saved me a lot of $ that i would pay for tail gears)but Unfortunately the clutch cant hold the tail locked if you want to fly backwards inverted although i ve tried different tension settings .I ve tested benmlee's clutch 10 minutes ago and i must confess that i am impressed, no wagging at all , the tail seems solid but the most important is that i feel the heli very powerful,With bob's clutch i guess i had a power-torgue loss
Tomorrow the video review.
i was thinking to sell the heli but maybe the new clutch will make me change my decision.We will see.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 05:34 PM
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I ve just installed the benmlee's clutch, have you used the optional gear shim behind tail shaft?? ve used mine but i think b-c gears are very tight now.I have no smooth spinning when i rotate the tail rotor with my hand>Clutch is not too tight.

There is no reason to run the "B" and "C" gears tight.. Next time buy my clutch..
If you take a look to your mailing paypal list you will see that you i ve bought your clutch also.And if you see my v120s youtube videos you will see that i I am continuously advertising your clutch eg like this video here http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?feature=mhee .Bob has made incredible work with the clutch (he have saved me a lot of $ that i would pay for tail gears)but Unfortunately the clutch cant hold the tail locked if you want to fly backwards inverted although i ve tried different tension settings .I ve tested benmlee's clutch 10 minutes ago and i must confess that i am impressed, no wagging at all , the tail seems solid but the most important is that i feel the heli very powerful,With bob's clutch i guess i had a power-torgue loss
Tomorrow the video review.
i was thinking to sell the heli but maybe the new clutch will make me change my decision.We will see.
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I'm shocked that you can't adjust my clutch to the point of it stripping out the "D" hole in the "A" gear before it starts to slip.. Are you sure it was clean and free of any oil? Were you using the proper way of setting it using your thumb and forefinger to squeeze it together and then tightening up the left hand collar's screw??
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I don't do 3d but can say bobs clutch is very good, although as a noob, it took me an age to figure out what the 'a', 'b', 'c' gear was, I didn't have a clue! Which is probably why it took me neigh on 2 hours to do! Still think the clutch is ingenious, I understand how it works after putting it together and good on ya Bob for creating it. However, from a noobs point of view, you need more pics (bearing in mind all this is foreign to us noobs) or, ideally, a video.

Its just, I realised after 2 hours, I could have fitted it within 10 mins rather than 2 hours if the instructions were idiot proof, and yes... I am an idiot!

It doesn't matter to me now, been there, done that, but for future flyers, it might make their lives a little more bearable lol rather than wasting a few hours on a 10 minute job lol
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 06:07 PM
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I don't do 3d but can say bobs clutch is very good, although as a noob, it took me an age to figure out what the 'a', 'b', 'c' gear was, I didn't have a clue! Which is probably why it took me neigh on 2 hours to do! Still think the clutch is ingenious, I understand how it works after putting it together and good on ya Bob for creating it. However, from a noobs point of view, you need more pics (bearing in mind all this is foreign to us noobs) or, ideally, a video.

Its just, I realised after 2 hours, I could have fitted it within 10 mins rather than 2 hours if the instructions were idiot proof, and yes... I am an idiot!

It doesn't matter to me now, been there, done that, but for future flyers, it might make their lives a little more bearable lol rather than wasting a few hours on a 10 minute job lol
OK,, just tell me what part of the idiot's instructions you didn't get. And I'll change them...

And please tell us what the heck you where doing for the 2 hours??
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 06:25 PM
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OK,, just tell me what part of the idiot's instructions you didn't get. And I'll change them...

And please tell us what the heck you where doing for the 2 hours??
It was mainly referencing the gears mate, 'A', 'B' etc, and the putting the thumb on the hub, more pics please sir! and me being a noob and having no spares, was very scared of making a mistake. The instructions were fairly sound just certain places left me questioning myself (and I think I'm reasonably intelligent, but maybe I'm wrong!) I aint knocking your clutch, it works and it and works well, and I'm very glad I fitted it, and maybe I'm the exception and not the rule (maybe I'm just thick!), just put yourself in the position of someone who aint got a clue what a 'B' gear is!

Once I've fitted it, it all made sense, but being a noob, I was scared of doing wrong as I didn't know the gears you were referring to, and when you mentioned the hub (thumb and finger), which hub lol! franchise model, you can never have enough detail mate Or maybe I'm just stupid!

And for 2 hours, I was scratching my head, wondering how I was going to put it all back together pmsl

Maybe a blow up, with everything in place, with pointers to which gears are what! 'A', 'B' and 'C'. a kind of, before you start these are the gear references and this is where you put your thumb and finger for pressure... I'm a Virgo, Bob, that probably explains a lot!
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I own a few business's, and I never want to know what were doing right, cos that looks after itself, I always want to know what we could do better
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 06:43 PM
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It was mainly referencing the gears mate, 'A', 'B' etc, and the putting the thumb on the hub, more pics please sir! and me being a noob and having no spares, was very scared of making a mistake. The instructions were fairly sound just certain places left me questioning myself (and I think I'm reasonably intelligent, but maybe I'm wrong!) I aint knocking your clutch, it works and it and works well, and I'm very glad I fitted it, and maybe I'm the exception and not the rule (maybe I'm just thick!), just put yourself in the position of someone who aint got a clue what a 'B' gear is!

Once I've fitted it, it all made sense, but being a noob, I was scared of doing wrong as I didn't know the gears you were referring to, and when you mentioned the hub (thumb and finger), which hub lol! franchise model, you can never have enough detail mate Or maybe I'm just stupid!

And for 2 hours, I was scratching my head, wondering how I was going to put it all back together pmsl

Maybe a blow up, with everything in place, with pointers to which gears are what! 'A', 'B' and 'C'. a kind of, before you start these are the gear references!
Good point about noob's not knowing what the heck the gears are called,, way back when I wrote the instructions everyone knew what they were because we were changing them all the time and we all came up with the "A", "B" and "C" starting from the front or drive end. It seemed to make a lot of sense back then.. But I think you have to go way back in the 4#6/4G6 threads to read about them. And no noob is even going to think about doing this...

I have been asked many times to shoot a video of how to install it and I think I had better do this soon.. As I'm sitting on a lot of stock right now that I might have to start selling on Ebay to get some of the money back..

Thanks for your feedback and the good words about my clutch.. I must say I have had very few complaints and they were solved with a good cleaning and proper adjustment of the clutch..

PS I don't really think of this as a business more of a helping out fellow Walkera heli owners.. I'm not getting rich making these,, heck with the price of gas the ride to the post office eats up any profit.. And it never fails that I'll take one order there and when I get back home there's another I have to take tomorrow,, and repeat and repeat.. I usually make them up in batches of 10 and spend a day working on them..not that I'm working all the time as I can't. I keep having to take breaks to relax while doing the collars as it's a nerve racking job drilling and tapping the hole for the set screw.. But at the end I get the fun part of putting the kits into the plastic bags and sealing them up for some reason I feel really good when this part is finished..
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