Originally Posted by DLGjunkyard

When did they make the switch from GREEDY to EVIL?
Just curious

Probably the same time the socialists discovered the meaning of the word covet that which others have which they don't. Greed like hate and racism is easy to throw into a wind.

Originally Posted by LcJ

Probably the same time the socialists discovered the meaning of the word covet that which others have which they don't. Greed like hate and racism is easy to throw into a wind.

Any examples of those, Lyle?

Sounds like just a use of an emotive set of words, I'm afraid...

Originally Posted by Eljimb0

All the modern good things corporations have brought us.

the GWS slowstick
and lipo batteries.
A 32 inch TV set that I can hang on my wall with one nail for 300 bucks.
30 cans of cold bud light for 19 bucks
skype
scrubbing bubbles bathroom cleaner
the Kitchenaide mixer

I could go on for quite a while.

Here are some of the thing our new govt has not brought us and probably won't ever...
Our soldiers home, trust, better education for our children, etc.

you paid $300- for one nail???

Originally Posted by Gooroo

I spent most of yesterday trying to secure liability insurance for a small business I started a month ago.

Government regulations have given us an environment in which a business must be very large to even survive. It is extremely difficult to start a new business because of all of the requirements of governemnt.

It takes a tremendous amount of time and money to comply with all of the stuff that in no way contributes to production or profit.

My new business will have not employees, only contract workers. Only a fool would start a business that employees others or attempts to manufacture something in America.

This is why all of the jobs are going away.

You're spot on.
I started my current business 17 years ago, but if I had to start the same business all over again today, I just wouldn't do it. No way, no how.
This week, I get the priviledge of posting the newly required sign that invites all my employees to unionize.
As part of the "regulation", an employer is prohibited from closing the business if their employees unionize.
I of course will completely follow the law. But there is NO law against retiring, and I'm getting closer to deciding when to do that.

Originally Posted by Highflight

Let's add to the list of nasty things that corporations have done to modern civilization:


Provided millions upon millions of jobs that paid for raising families and putting kids through school.
Manufactured every single component of each of the homes we live in.
Manufactured every single electronic appliance you use including computers on which we communicate in this forum.
The Pacemakers that reside in the chests of people who would be dead without them.
The country itself in which you live that would have been conquered by the Axis powers in WWII if not for the corporations that turned their focus from consumer products to defensive products.
Your first bicycle.
Your first motorcycle.
Your first yo-yo.
The crib that kept you safe as a toddler.
The books that you used to learn in school.
The light by which you read at night, both the lights themselves and the electricity that powers them.
Any and every product you can think of that has been produced in quantity since man discovered the wheel and fire.

Nice to see some common sense on these pages once in a while.

Great post!

I don't think anyone would argue or could argue that corporations have done things that were positive, but to ignore the negative and the means by which they could do better with regard to our society is not a realistic approach. Anything, be it labor unions, day care centers, or any endeavor can be argued as to having positive and negative outcomes.

How many positive outcomes can corporations have if the OWS morons were to get their way and shut them all down (well, other than starbucks and apple and a few others that they are fine with)...

None of the current miracle medical devices or drugs would exist without large medical companies that benefit from patents and limited liability. People would still be dying in their 50's for the most part.

Originally Posted by Indiana_Geoff

None of the current miracle medical devices or drugs would exist without large medical companies that benefit from patents and limited liability. People would still be dying in their 50's for the most part.

Great point!

I wonder how many of our resident Lefties here who are in their later years are taking drugs for high blood pressure and other things that would have already put them in the grave if not for "evil" and "greedy" corporations that invested the money of their investors (investors also being "evil" and "greedy") to create those life saving drugs?

Lets see about those white coated overpriced Witchdoctors.

They have profit margins ranging over 1000 % .
They said when we are able to read the Genetic Codes MANY diseases would be cured. None have been. Just more drugs that are keeping lawyers busier than ever, suing them for known side effects. And NO real curative action. That translates to.. Selling Snake oils from TV stations and monthly magazines.....At the end of the lawsuit the company admits it did NOTHING WRONG & pays each person off with a gag order to not discuss the trial. The people are still injured for life by the toxic effects.

Their ads WARN YOU to TELL YOUR doctor all the medications you are taking........DUUUUUH
My doctor is SUPPOSED to know what I am taking. Unless I am a lying drug addict or alcoholic. Or both.

Any treatment or surgery has a piece of paper that if you sign it. You have released EVERYONE near you from all liability when they do a stupid screwup.

There are almost as many medical lawyers as people cutting grass.

A drug company screws you up & then sends you off to another drug that causes more toxic side effects. Soon you are taking 20 different pills for high blood pressure.

The guy wearing a loincloth gets my vote for doctor of the year.

Originally Posted by Treetop

I do have digital comcast, the thing about it is the pricing structure. There is one package down, but it is the local broadcast channels only, which I assume is some requirement that they carry it. What I really dislike is that even now, they give me a $15 discount, meaning the real charge for basic digital, is $59 plus the taxes, add on charges, and then they give me a discount for having both internet and cable. So if I only got cable, or only got internet, the price would be exorbitant. Meaning I wouldn't save much at all by knocking off the TV end of it. Bottom line, I would not save $59 by knocking out the TV part, more like $20. $59 is the discount price for packaging internet and TV.

And like I said, they offer introductory discounts which expire after a year or six months. My intro expired and my total bill went from $85 to $105, I called them and asked how I could lower my bill and they extended my discount for another year. Goofy way to do business.

I have been lucky in that the service here has been excellent, however, in the past, had terrible problems, and to this day I still rent the modem from them, as they assume if you have your own modem, that must be where the problem lies. They also say that if they come out and find that your modem is the problem, there is a $100 service charge for the visit. So that is like $6 a month for insurance against headaches during service. There was a time when they came out once a week for about three months, I knew the two guys who worked my area on a first name basis. What they finally found was two problems, one was a connection on a pole somewhere that filled up with water when it rained, and the other was the "node" was overloaded with too many trying to use the internet, it would just knock some of them off.

And either everyone is so dependant on this service that they can't possibly live without it, or someone is holding a gun to their childrens heads forcing them to but it, or ot is the greatest thing since sliced bread, or poeple are so IGNORANT and STUPID that they are unable to build up enough COURAGE to call the cable company and tell them to take the cable and stuff it where the sun don't shine.

Last I knew - cable and a few other things that folks are always whining about the cost of are not necesitioes for life. they are LUXURIES. If enough people managed to get teh courage to live without cable foa few months the prices would drop. BUT because there are so many suckers that can do nothing but compalin that some government agency should step in and keep people from having to pay so much for cable, the cable companies will continue to charge what THE MARKET WILL BEAR! Get everyone in you city to go an a cable strike for a few months. Then you would see prices come down.

As it is - you won't find me complaining about the cost of cable. I don't have cable and I am unwilling to pay their ridiculous prices. But those of you who are complaining seem to think that you can't survive without it, so I guess you will just have to voluntarily continue to get ripped off as you don't have the ability to live without that garbage pouring into your house.

Originally Posted by kf2qd

And either everyone is so dependant on this service that they can't possibly live without it, or someone is holding a gun to their childrens heads forcing them to but it, or ot is the greatest thing since sliced bread, or poeple are so IGNORANT and STUPID that they are unable to build up enough COURAGE to call the cable company and tell them to take the cable and stuff it where the sun don't shine.

Last I knew - cable and a few other things that folks are always whining about the cost of are not necesitioes for life. they are LUXURIES. If enough people managed to get teh courage to live without cable foa few months the prices would drop. BUT because there are so many suckers that can do nothing but compalin that some government agency should step in and keep people from having to pay so much for cable, the cable companies will continue to charge what THE MARKET WILL BEAR! Get everyone in you city to go an a cable strike for a few months. Then you would see prices come down.

As it is - you won't find me complaining about the cost of cable. I don't have cable and I am unwilling to pay their ridiculous prices. But those of you who are complaining seem to think that you can't survive without it, so I guess you will just have to voluntarily continue to get ripped off as you don't have the ability to live without that garbage pouring into your house.

So what are you paying for internet access?

I could do without the cable, but what I was complaining about was the pricing structure which makes getting internet only a puny discount from getting the discounts when you get both cable tv and internet. I do like to watch the Braves and Turner Classic Movies, and like I said in the first post, that content used to be free.

Originally Posted by cyclops2

Lets see about those white coated overpriced Witchdoctors.

They have profit margins ranging over 1000 % .

I'll take my chances with my doctors. But most of them are not Corporations, so it's a bit off topic for your thread.

Originally Posted by lymon

you paid $300- for one nail???

He had to......he's talking about a flat screen CRT 32" Sony Wega tv, and he had to get a really big-assed nail to hold it up on the wall.

Originally Posted by Indiana_Geoff

None of the current miracle medical devices or drugs would exist without large medical companies that benefit from patents and limited liability. People would still be dying in their 50's for the most part.

So then, I guess we should be blaming the drug companies for the mess we're in with Social Security.