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Old Sep 17, 2003, 01:25 PM
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Old Timer/floater kit or plans for Speed 400 or smaller motor?

I'm starting to look for a winter building project. I think I'd enjoy an Old Timer type model. Something very stable and relaxing to fly. The kind where once the model is trimmed properly you can fly it with just rudder and throttle, or even let it go free-flight on calm days.

I have 8 cell 500mah nicad packs (~ 6 ounces) and 2 cell 820mah lithium ion (1.8 ounce) packs. I'd prefer to use these packs, which limits me to speed 400 class or smaller motors. Don't want to go brushless at this time.

I'd prefer a laser cut kit if one exists, but I'll work from plans if necessary. I do not want a foamie or ARF. I want something that'll keep me busy in the workshop when it's too cold to fly.

I've done a few searches and found the following that look like possibilities:

- Mountain Models Dusk Stick and Dandy
- BMJR Ugly 30 and Baby Phoenix
- MAT Miss Stik, Slowmowatt, and Le Parquewatt

I've read plenty of threads on the Dusk Stick, Dandy, Ugly 30, and Miss Stik, but have not found much information on the others.

Have you built and flown a Baby Phoenix, Slowmowatt, or Le Parquewatt?

What else is out there?
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Old Sep 17, 2003, 03:03 PM
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I haven't flown any of the planes you mentioned, but I can suggest a few others:

1) SIG Rascal (kit version) (http://www.sigmfg.com/cgi-bin/dpsmar...FV3.html?E+Sig)
2) HOB (House Of Balsa) Cub, 52" wingspan version (http://www.houseofbalsa.com/e/env/00...=products:k-70)
3) Hobby Lobby Mini Telemaster (www.hobby-lobby.com

BTW: the Mountain Models planes will probably only keep you busy for about 4 hours 'cause they build fast.
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Old Sep 17, 2003, 03:58 PM
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Thanks babblefish. I'll take a look at those planes too.
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Old Sep 17, 2003, 04:42 PM
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Spirit of Yesteryear do nice kits, quite a few of which are suitable for S400. Have a look at the Lil Viking, the Dallaire Sportster or the new Atomizer at http://www.soy.on.ca/

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Old Sep 17, 2003, 04:53 PM
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Thanks Steve,

I think the Spirit of Yesteryear planes are more like what I was looking for.
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Old Sep 17, 2003, 05:03 PM
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Hi Brian,

Lots of plans here, including old timers.

http://plans.rcmodell.hu/
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Old Sep 17, 2003, 05:47 PM
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I won't comment on the kits, because what we have here is probably not obtainable over there, but on yteh power issues - yes the 8x500AR is fine, and teh Li-ion probably is. You are lkley to need about 7A in teh climb, and 4-5A just pottering about.

Best motor for pottering at those cell counts is 6v sp400, and I would gear 2.33:1 and start with APC 8x6. If the AUW is 20 oz or less, and wingspan around 40", it will fly very adequately. I have tried other combinations, but that was the most successful.
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Old Sep 17, 2003, 05:54 PM
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Have you looked into the "Cutie" from SR Batteries?(www.srbatteries.com/kits.htm)

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Old Sep 17, 2003, 05:59 PM
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Brian,

Ben Buckle Kits do a wide range of vintage kits and plans here in the UK, although posting aplan overseas shouldn't be a problem;

http://www.benbucklevintage.fsbusiness.co.uk/index.htm

Here's a brief look at my Scorpion 44. S400 geared, 7 cells, 23oz. Lovely!

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...light=scorpion

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Old Sep 17, 2003, 06:09 PM
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That's a lovely model Tim. Unusual for you...

Actually, rolling your own is easy - just think keil Kraft Rubber model, and it all comes back.

This was my first scratch built own design - at least the third iteration of it. I still have the wing...
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Old Sep 17, 2003, 09:01 PM
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Thanks guys. Now I've got lots of options to consider. Maybe I'll get inspired to do more then one over the winter .
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Old Sep 17, 2003, 09:25 PM
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Brian
I have built and flown the LeParquewatt, slowmowatt and other
MAT designs, and my personnel favorite is the LeParquewatt.
easy and fun to build, but one of the very best RC airplanes
I have ever flown.
It flies like a oldtimer, You can get info in the plans only section at www.modelair-tech.com and where to purchase.

Gordon
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Old Sep 17, 2003, 09:49 PM
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Thanks Gordon,

LeParquewatt is attractive to me too. Looks like an old timer and I like the stick method of construction. Makes building from plans much less of an ordeal compared to cutting out ribs, formers, etc.
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Old Sep 18, 2003, 09:57 AM
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Brian

For the smaller packs- check out some of the Midway models stuff at Penn Valley Hobby Center. (pennvalleyhobbies.com) Look up R/N kits- there's a bunch of stuff out there in the TD 020 class which converts well. Also- Bob Holman is now laser cutting parts to match his plans- and these semi kits are really a great way to go. bhplans.com

Buzzard Bombshell's make a very nice old timer-I'm tempted to build another.

BMJR kits have a nice rep- and they've got more than you've listed.

buy a copy of Flying Models and start looking through their ads.

If you haven't built much before- the Ben Buckle kits are umm challenging. Let's say that parts fits and plans accuracy can leave something to be desired- don't know if that's improved.

Sam
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Old Sep 18, 2003, 10:37 AM
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Brian

For the Ben Buckle kits (and I think these are exactly what you're looking for), a US distributor is GCBM. Here's their website:
www.gcbmrc.com
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