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Old Feb 11, 2012, 09:36 AM
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One thing I noticed is the unit seems to overrides my spektrum fail safe settings. I tried several times to set the fail safe on the receiver but it won't take. I am guessing the flybarless unit has something to do with it.
I'm using an FrSky RX with my JR radio, and I use failsafe to park the main blades in the right position to fit the blade holder - and the controller (admittedly the CX) does not override the failsafe settings.
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Old Feb 11, 2012, 09:47 AM
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Hey 2doggs that is a great idea! I have 2 FrSky futabas. I'm stealing it...lol!
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Old Feb 11, 2012, 05:59 PM
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Cx -3x1000......

Here is a viddy of my sport flying (AKA known as "Fish tankin'"!

I love this ZYX FBL system so much I pulled the trigger on the Copter X 3X1000 for my Align 500CF!

Hopefully it's a good analogy??

"Flybar who needs a stinkin' flybar"???


Best to all!

In particular BeenFlyin and the Spoof!

Brian


02102012a (13 min 46 sec)



The actual maiden of the ZYX below:

Tarot ZYX FBL on HK450GT Maiden! (16 min 37 sec)
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Old Feb 11, 2012, 06:11 PM
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Uhm RB this is Tarot, not CX. lol
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Old Feb 11, 2012, 06:14 PM
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Uhm RB this is Tarot, not CX. lol
How ya been Pitch Pump??

Yah a little confusing in my prose.......I installed the ZYX and have flown same..........buyin' the Copter X as I, through my vast reading of threads suspect it's an analogy?? (Sure as heck hope so)!

Hope all is well in YOUR world!

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Old Feb 11, 2012, 07:13 PM
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Hi Brian. Great to see your heli flying so well. If you like your 450 flybarless, wait until you fly your 500. My 500EFL Pro with the ZYX is my favorite heli.

All the best, David.
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Old Feb 11, 2012, 07:20 PM
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Hi Brian. Great to see your heli flying so well. If you like your 450 flybarless, wait until you fly your 500. My 500EFL Pro with the ZYX is my favorite heli.

All the best, David.
Hiya David!

I think I need a "cut" of all the FBL stuff that I have sold in the last few days.

Are you listening mfgs???

Since I'm the LCD (Lowest Common Denominator) and (by following your great lead) I could actually set this up......my pals figured they could actually do it!

Cha ching go the registers around the world!

Just a quick question about the CopterX FBL unit and its eventual install on my Align 500CF........should I expect the CopterX to be a pretty exact analog of the ZYX??

Best to ya and many, many thanx for helping me into the (affordable) future of our hobby!

Brian
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Old Feb 11, 2012, 11:17 PM
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Hehe!!! You'll have to share with all of the other people in this community that have helped make these gyros so popular.

As far as the ZYX & CX being the same. I can say that they both appear to come from the same factory:
1/ The main circuit board is the the same and has the same number on it.
2/ They both report the same firmware version number.

So other than the case and the way they handle the RX connections, they "appear" to be identical.
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Old Feb 11, 2012, 11:27 PM
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2 Boxes?

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So other than the case and the way they handle the RX connections, they "appear" to be identical.
And of course the Tarot program box looks a bit spiffier than the utilitarian CX one - but it's pity they're not compatible! The separate FBL to RX leads on the Tarot make the Tarot more versatile from an install perspective, possibly giving it an advantage for larger helis.
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I made a video of the Tarot 500 problem I'm having. The first part of the video illustrates what too much coffee can do. But toward the end right when the timer goes off, the problem starts. I know the video doesn't show it but it flies really good before it starts. So, this time I landed and took off again and the problem was present right away. Check out how I had to land quickly after I took off again. Hope you can see what I'm talking about. It took almost the full 4 mins to start acting up. This is with a known good ZYX unit out of one of my 450s. PITA having to set it up all over again but it eliminated the ZYX unit as being the problem. I'll post a picture of the wire bundle to see if you guys might think that's the problem. Next I might try and mounting the receiver outside the frame.
Tarot 500 (6 min 33 sec)


At about 6:20 check out how it wants to keep tilting. It takes a lot of correction in the other direction to keep it from going to far. Now I'll be afraid to fly it very high at all till I figure this out.
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Old Feb 12, 2012, 01:19 AM
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How ya been Pitch Pump??

Yah a little confusing in my prose.......I installed the ZYX and have flown same..........buyin' the Copter X as I, through my vast reading of threads suspect it's an analogy?? (Sure as heck hope so)!

Hope all is well in YOUR world!

b
RB my friend you got the zyx and the CX aswell. you seem to have both dialled in nicely. I hope when i get mine will be nicely dialled in as yours. Did it take you long to dial in the zyx?
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Old Feb 12, 2012, 01:57 AM
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At about 6:20 check out how it wants to keep tilting. It takes a lot of correction in the other direction to keep it from going to far. Now I'll be afraid to fly it very high at all till I figure this out.
I can't really see much in the video except that it looks like you are pretty close to the ground at the end and probably in "ground effect" which could cause issues, does it happens if you are higher up ?
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Old Feb 12, 2012, 02:26 AM
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Hey Barnstorm,

If I saw it right, the heli wanted to roll starboard and you were correcting to port. Did you look at the swashplate after you landed? Was it straight, or tilted?

I've experienced a swash tilt and lockout on my 500 Protos. It was caused by static from the tail rotor. Read this post for details and see if it sounds familiar: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=788
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Old Feb 12, 2012, 02:30 AM
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I can't really see much in the video except that it looks like you are pretty close to the ground at the end and probably in "ground effect" which could cause issues, does it happens if you are higher up ?
I know its hard to see. I'm close to the ground at the beginning also. Its like it doesn't return the swash plate back to level fast enough. I'll figure it out in time. If I went up higher, I'm pretty sure it would dive to the left or right and crash. Something changes. I put a different motor in to try in the morning.(no idea what that has to do with it) Then I'll try moving the rx. Its the same rx/gyro I have on 2 other 450s I've heard about the static problem with the Specktrum receivers.
Oh, about the motor. I can't remember where I heard it but the length of the leads coming out of the motor makes a difference. The motor that I've been testing with had the leads shorten quiet a bit(don't ask why).
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Old Feb 12, 2012, 03:17 AM
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motor leads can't be too long. Shorter shouldn't be a problem.
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