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Old Apr 15, 2012, 03:00 AM
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Hi Guys

Two weeks to go and Sparks has finished his "rhubarb and custard" 2X Raven, so that makes 11 out of eighteen entries finished. Hoping a few more of you can manage it. I THINK I have worked out how to put images of each model up on the poll thread when I post it, we'll see if I have got it right at the end of the month!

I've been thinking about a follow-on build off. The two leading contenders seem to be either another manufacturer specific one, the favourite here being Keil Kraft, or one for models which were designed as radio control types originally, with a cut off date of, probably, pre-1965. Personally I favour the Keil Kraft theme one with a finish date of the end of the year, and there is certainly plenty of choice of models there, but if anyone has any views I would be happy to hear them before deciding. Or it may be that no one is interested, in which case we won't bother!!
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Old Apr 15, 2012, 08:46 AM
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KK definitely.
I'll be there.
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Old Apr 15, 2012, 09:36 AM
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Thanks Warren!
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Old Apr 15, 2012, 10:07 AM
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KK for me! It'll give me an excuse to electrify a KK Gipsy/Gypsy
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Old Apr 15, 2012, 03:12 PM
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in which case we won't bother!!
Oh yes we will George

A Keil Kraft build-off is fine by me. As far as I know they existed from 1946 until 1979 so I assume anything in that period will be eligible. Most of their kit plans seem to be freely available. Although I didn't build many of their kits as a kid, I do remember having a Gaucho and a Caprice and my first R/C model was the inevitable Super 60 so I've got some catching up to do on their extensive range

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Old Apr 15, 2012, 03:20 PM
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I always liked and had success with Mercury models..but KK or anything else would be fine for me. Its all good.
and to add further complication...a Vic Smeed tribute build might be good!
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Old Apr 15, 2012, 05:30 PM
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I always liked and had success with Mercury models..but KK or anything else would be fine for me. Its all good.
and to add further complication...a Vic Smeed tribute build might be good!
sparks
Seeing as I have a KK Senator kit, bought at Old Warden circa 1990 so hardly 'genuine vintage', and a PDF print-outs of the 'Chatterbox' to save a gen-u-wine copy of the Aeromodeller freebie I've had for years, I second Sparks as above!

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Old Apr 16, 2012, 12:35 PM
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The idea of a Vic Smeed tribute build is great! I guess a Shereshaw tribute build would be a bit daunting?
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Old Apr 16, 2012, 07:00 PM
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The idea of a Vic Smeed tribute build is great! I guess a Shereshaw tribute build would be a bit daunting?
Well, I DO have that half-A sized Shereshaw Mercury kit....

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Old Apr 17, 2012, 08:12 AM
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Just had a good look through the old Keil Kraft kit range and now I know why I didn't build many of them as a kid - to me, with one or two exceptions, they are all a bit ordinary and uninspiring and not a patch on the Frog range Sorry if that offends any KK enthusiasts.

All I could suggest for the next buildathon would be perhaps something like "BritKits" to cover KK, Veron, Mercury and all the other smaller outfits around in the 50s and 60s. Another possibility might be "BritPlans" to cover the wide variety of designs published in Aeromodeller and Model Aircraft during the same period.

Don't know really - I'll just leave it up to George to set the challenge

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I see there is something called a Test Forum where you can try out things like this. It's listed under Support Forums near the bottom of the Forums list. Never used it myself but sounds useful.

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Old Apr 17, 2012, 10:32 AM
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I 'found' my Senator kit yesterday, while looking for something entirely different!

So that's a KK element taken care of.

When I was a kid, one tended to buy whatever was on sale at a model shop accessible by bus! Thus most of the models I never finished were KK - FROG wasn't popular in Hull model shops, so though I was vaguely aware of them, I don't recall any being stocked by the shops I could reach.

I suppose now, parents would load the child into a large converted builder's truck and drive offspring to whatever store it had found on its iSpendPhone

In the meantime, I actually have a set of Chatterbox plans in build-able condition. They're taped up from printouts of the plan from the plans thread up top of hereabouts, and have checked out fine against my original Aeromodeller full sized freeby plan. As I've always had this urge to build a Chatterbox, at some point, balsa will be cut and, if needed, I'll wait for the build-off to catch up, or not

The plan and one page build article caused a little head-shaking! The model is built like the proverbial stoutly built external self-contained restroom, while the builder is left to figure out a few minor tricks, like fitting a radio as per the prototype, themselves. The radio fit drawn on the plan was, best I can figure, never actually flown...

On the woodwork side, the mainspars are the same size and material as I used on my latest sports aerobatic design - 52" span, 600W into a model aimed at 60oz RTF.

Suspect mine will look just the same as the plan on the outside Reading comments hereabouts, it will have an elevator and the motor you won't be able to see in the nose, unlike the prototype's diesel, will have speed control. As to weight, am aiming for the figures quoted before fitting the GG radio, but as a ready to fly weight.

Thread will start when I have some wood cut. Which could be soon, unless the 2X Erie Daily Times etc. low winged former rubber model takes over the board next...

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Old Apr 17, 2012, 10:54 AM
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I have to agree that in general, the KK range was (is) pretty uninspiring.

Seems to me that Vic Smeed would be a good way to go. There's a good variety of designs, all (or most) are known to fly well, and plan availability is pretty good.

It would also be a nice tribute to that fine gentleman, and perhaps particularly appropriate in view of his recent passing.

As long as Tomboys are NOT ALLOWED.
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Old Apr 17, 2012, 02:26 PM
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Ummm. Quite a range of options being floated here. It is a bit like the situation where you ask 100 economists what to do about the world's economic woes and get 100 different answers!

The idea of Vic Smeed designs has considerable appeal, the only downside for me is that very many of the designs are high wing cabin models (yes I know there are exceptions like the Sea Nymph and Pushy Cat etc.) which might make the entry a bit "samey". I am tempted though as I have a personal urge to build another Paageboy, his 4 foot seaplane the "Nirvana" and the Sea Nymph.

I still like the idea of KK and don't fully agree with the views expressed about the restricted range, especially if you consider scaling up options and control line conversions like the Spectre.

Since the majority of designs which appear in the annual Build Off are U.S. in origin, I would like to keep this one for British designs (even if some of them, like the Falcon and even the revered Junior 60 (the wing is pure Simplex) were close copies of American models) so RFJ's suggestion of one for "Britkits" has some appeal.

I think I will just wait a week or so for any more views and then make an "executive decision" which will probably please no-one! Not, of course, that there is anything to stop someone running one of the other options, although that would dilute the entries (from everyone except RFJ that is who seems capable of building models at a much higher rate than the rest of us mere mortals)
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Old Apr 18, 2012, 02:27 AM
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George, you mentioned my inner thoughts on the note of the converted control line models, I always liked, but at the time when I used to build and fly CL, never made a Spectre, ...or a Ranger for that matter

Although I really would like to build something other than a low wing sportster, and I already have lots of high wing cabin models. I could possibly go for the Junior 60 (which was shelved when I got the Centurion plan), but I also like the Phantom....and the Super Scorpion...

There are also loads of other rubber powered models, scalish and sports, that could easily be converted for lightweight electric RC too.

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Old Apr 18, 2012, 04:56 AM
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The wife suggested a "Birthday Build-Off" - ie.choose a model produced in the year you were born

As I said in a previous post I am quite happy with the KK idea as there are a couple I do like - the Spectre being one of them.

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