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Old Jun 09, 2012, 07:58 AM
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Tail antenna

Hi again,

The antenna:

The antenna attached at the tail is made from (indeed piano wire 0.40mm)
And (dutch. split pennen) I do not know the English name for it
Thanks to prop bender i know its called cotter pin.

I use the so called cotter pins to attach the piano wire and to connect it strongly at the tail.




Its 1mm in diameter and 25mm long.

I drill a 1mm holes in the tail, push a 10mm long shrink tube over the cotter pin,



To give the cotter pin some body and keeping the halves together at the outside, otherwise the 0,40mm piano wire will find his way trough the length of the cotter pin...

After you push it trough the drilled hole you fold the end out of each other and glued with 1 hour epoxy,

See example photo,



And this how it looks at the inside, the folded pieces glued.



And now you have a nice standoff sticking out of the tail,





I did the same with my 1/50 scale Gato submarine,





But I go now a different direction,

Back to the Apache

Or....Jay I'm looking at.......................thinking, stumbling, wondering...






Regards,

Jan,
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Old Jun 09, 2012, 11:29 AM
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In the U.S. your split pennen is called a" cotter pin."
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Old Jun 09, 2012, 11:39 AM
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In the U.S. your split pennen is called a" cotter pin."
Thanks prop bender,

Never heard it before..

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Thanks prop bender,

Never heard it before..

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Jan,
Your welcome btw, you do excellant work on your models.
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Hi again,

The antenna:

The antenna attached at the tail is made from (indeed piano wire 0.40mm)
And (dutch. split pennen) I do not know the English name for it
Thanks to prop bender i know its called cotter pin.

I use the so called cotter pins to attach the piano wire and to connect it strongly at the tail.




Its 1mm in diameter and 25mm long.

I drill a 1mm holes in the tail, push a 10mm long shrink tube over the cotter pin,



To give the cotter pin some body and keeping the halves together at the outside, otherwise the 0,40mm piano wire will find his way trough the length of the cotter pin...

After you push it trough the drilled hole you fold the end out of each other and glued with 1 hour epoxy,

See example photo,



And this how it looks at the inside, the folded pieces glued.



And now you have a nice standoff sticking out of the tail,





I did the same with my 1/50 scale Gato submarine,





But I go now a different direction,

Back to the Apache

Or....Jay I'm looking at.......................thinking, stumbling, wondering...






Regards,

Jan,
hi jan thats the one i want but i cannot find it with the wing struts for carrying fuel tanks? thats exactly the one i want. 850 size willbe too big for me it will mean i need to get a van to transport helis to airfield.
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Old Jun 10, 2012, 12:32 PM
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Hi Jay,

The wing-struts for the tanks are soled separate by aurodyne.

And indeed a 800 size fuselage will be very hard to transport, In my case its possible but not easy to do.

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Jan
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Hi Jay,

The wing-struts for the tanks are soled separate by aurodyne.

And indeed a 800 size fuselage will be very hard to transport, In my case its possible but not easy to do.

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Jan
Hi Jan,

http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/is...rshman/ah-64a/

regards, Rob
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 03:34 PM
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Hi Jay,

The wing-struts for the tanks are soled separate by aurodyne.

And indeed a 800 size fuselage will be very hard to transport, In my case its possible but not easy to do.

Regards,

Jan

Awesome, think I'm going to order the v3 Blackhawk this week, plus extra wing struts and tanks etc. it's winter here so it will be a nice build time. Kin offered me to build the new Seahawk 850 size which would have been a challenge but I predict problems finding blades, power train issues, transportation etc so it's not logical for me. If he was doing 700 size I would have jumped at the chance. How was scale meeting?
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 03:40 PM
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Here's my bird at the weekend in full glory.

T-REX 600 ESP APACHE AH-64B FULL FLIGHT.mov (5 min 21 sec)
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:06 PM
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Here's my bird at the weekend in full glory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIM_58JAK7c&sns=em
Awesome.... great job
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Hi Jay,

Really nice flying you show us there Jay
Now you are teasing me to get the mechanics ASAP into the fuselage as well.
And I'm looking forwards to hear your experience with the Aerodyne Black-hawk if you go for it.
Do they sent to you directly? Aerodyne don't send fuselage's directly to Europe
But I hear good things about there fuselages.

About the scale meeting,

Its was great to see what some guys can make, that kind of skill, talent and patient you see with some projects is awesome.
I have met Bonechopper there and we talk a lot, and its was plain fun to be there.
There I discovered that the post of this building of the Apache is more followed than I imaged and all off them where impressed with the raised tail solution from Kin.
Also my solution to just draw the panel lines was noticed and they liked it.
I was a bit concerned about that, because I was there with guys who duplicate even the dimensions of the rivets heads at the right place at there scale projects and then is only drawings some lines a bit easy but it seems working out better than I thought.

I have seen and learned a lot that day , But no sea/blackhawks to see

But a lot of other projects,









Kind regards,

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Hi,

I have lost the link to a post how to make the X tail rotor head for a 500/600 size Apache style.
Can someone help me out please.

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Old Jun 13, 2012, 03:30 PM
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hi jan,

awesome theres so many choppers at your meeting. looks like a lot of fun, and coming away with a feeling of shared knowledge and respect must be great. i am still waiting for a scale event to happen here in new zealand. none until january 2013.

haha im sorry my apache is making you get itchy feet. DO NOT RUSH HER LIKE I DID! after reading about how deep some of the builders go into scale detailing, i feel like stripping the apache back and starting over again!!! haha.

re: scale blackhawk 600 from rc aerodyne, they do not have the model i want in stock. only version 1 &2. version 3 comes complete with torque tube drive system and the tail section of the fuse is moulded to fit their elbow gear box perfectly, and by the looks of it, the tail does not look wide enough to fit the smartmodel raised tail system so it looks like i have to try and convince scaleflying.de to ship me one of their ones to new zealand. it seems all their kits(scaleflying.deis rcaerodyne EU distributor i think) come with the torque tube tail system designed for trex600 esp and chaos 600. They are 569euros, so you should look there, because shipping should be relatively cheap to the netherlands. heres the link: http://www.scaleflying.de/product_in...600-size-.html

i am trying to find another t-rex 600 esp, but they have become rare now, so i am going to get the fuse first and order the parts that i needed for the apache conversion like, main shaft bearing blocks, engine mount, main gear/1way, torque drive gearbox / tailboom assembly and tail rotor drive. every other part in my apache was my own addon, like 500kv motor, savox servos, receiver, 120a hv k-force esc. for the blackhawk im going to eliminate the use of a BEC, because i will be running 12cell 5000mah and a 640kv motor. on the video of nick from rcaerodyne flying his uh-60 he said he gets a whopping 18minutes of flight time....

i got your message re skyp i will give you a hollar!
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Hi Rob,

Thank you for the link I'm now busy to make the decals and I have already painted the underside of the Apache light gray and put on again the panel lines there

And I see a lot of details to do now, so I have some work to d.

Do you have a link of some info regarding building a Apache stile X-tail ?

Regards,

Jan,
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Old Jun 28, 2012, 03:31 PM
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Hi all,

Due of the link Bonechopper gives me I did some work,





And some weathering,





So far so good
Only the numbers etc still to do, but its almost ready now and then I can put in the mechanics
The cockpit will come also but not for now, I want to see here in the air first.

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