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Old Aug 11, 2011, 02:38 PM
Jack Iafret
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Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST

Check it out on: http://gdshs.org/2011-august.htm

I think it is the next big thing in soaring, find one and fly in it to
see why.

If you do not believe me ask anyone who has flown the event.

Jack

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Old Aug 11, 2011, 06:07 PM
whytewings@comcast.net
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Re: Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST

Hi Jack and all.

 

I for one am interested in the ALES format and would like to see more competition.

It would be very helpful to anyone interested if you could put more info on the aircraft

most generally flown along with the motors, batteries and the altitude controller that are most often used.

If I can get my new design done in time for the next ALES contest count me in.

 

Ed.

Whyte Wings.



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To: "RCSE" <rcse@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:38:55 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST

Check it out on: http://gdshs.org/2011-august.htm

I think it is the next big thing in soaring, find one and fly in it to
see why.

If you do not believe me ask anyone who has flown the event.

Jack

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Old Aug 12, 2011, 05:09 AM
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Re: Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST

Yup, ALES is good for RC Soaring... Sorry I missed Jack's. when is the
next ALES in Michigan ?? Ray


On 8/11/2011 7:07 PM, whytewings@comcast.net wrote:

>
> Hi Jack and all.
>
> I for one am interested in the ALES format and would like to see more
> competition.
>
> It would be very helpful to anyone interested if you could put more
> info on the aircraft
>
> most generally flown along with the motors, batteries and the altitude
> controller that are most often used.
>
> If I can get my new design done in time for the next ALES contest
> count me in.
>
> Ed.
>
> Whyte Wings.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Jack Iafret" <jiafret@gmail.com>
> *To: *"RCSE" <rcse@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:38:55 PM
> *Subject: *[RCSE] Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST
>
> Check it out on: http://gdshs.org/2011-august.htm
>
> I think it is the next big thing in soaring, find one and fly in it to
> see why.
>
> If you do not believe me ask anyone who has flown the event.
>
> Jack
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Old Aug 12, 2011, 01:42 PM
Jack Iafret
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Re: Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST

Probably next year but I think Ed Franz is holding a meet on Sept 5th
in Dayton. If I can make it, I will be going to that one as the Dayton
field is really a good one for ALES, much better than for winch
launch.

Jack

On Aug 12, 6:09 am, Ray Hayes <skybe...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Yup, ALES is good for RC Soaring...  Sorry I missed Jack's.  when is the
> next ALES in Michigan ??   Ray
>
> On 8/11/2011 7:07 PM, whytewi...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
>
>
>

> > Hi Jack and all.

>

> > I for one am interested in the ALES format and would like to see more
> > competition.

>

> > It would be very helpful to anyone interested if you could put more
> > info on the aircraft

>

> > most generally flown along with the motors, batteries and the altitude
> > controller that are most often used.

>

> > If I can get my new design done in time for the next ALES contest
> > count me in.

>

> > Ed.

>

> > Whyte Wings.

>

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> > *From: *"Jack Iafret" <jiaf...@gmail.com>
> > *To: *"RCSE" <rcse@googlegroups.com>
> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:38:55 PM
> > *Subject: *[RCSE] Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST

>

> > Check it out on:http://gdshs.org/2011-august.htm

>

> > I think it is the next big thing in soaring, find one and fly in it to
> > see why.

>

> > If you do not believe me ask anyone who has flown the event.

>

> > Jack

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Old Aug 12, 2011, 02:06 PM
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Re: Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST

So far one of the best things about ALES is that the planes and power
plants can cover a very wide range, everything from foamies to moldies
and like any other TD event it is up to the pilot to determine the
best plane for the weather.

Guys with Radians and Supras are on kind of common ground if the
weather is light wind and a lot of thermals, it turns into a landing
contest like all other TD events. When the wind comes up the foamies
are at a distinct disadvantage.

I like the Supra because it handles all conditions fairly well and
over the course of the day generally gets an advantage over the
smaller ships because you can see it further away and it will travel
from thermal to thermal well. That being said, I have been beaten by
foamies and Ed France flys the Denny Maize designed "Duster" (?=
senior moment) to the winners circle a lot and it is a 2M open bay
ship.

Any power system that will get you to 200 meters in under 30 seconds
is good. I like ships that have about 150 to 200 watts per pound
though my Supra is about 140 w/# (650 watts) it is sufficient to get
to altitude in about 24 seconds. May go to closer to 1000 watts next
year, or not.

The switches seem to work well and time will tell if any changes in
software or installation will be needed but for now, all is good.

Things I use to give you an idea:

1. Supra - Hacker A30 w/6.9 Hacker on three 2200 45-90C cells and
swinging an 18X10 CAM prop with a 5 degree twist hub.
2. Electron - Hyperion GS2213-14 on two TP 850 45 or 60C cells
swinging an RF 13X8
3. Super AVA - Hacker 50LMR and 6.7 6.9 Hacker GB on two 5000 45C
cells swinging an 18X11 prop

So you can see, the range of planes is large 2M to 4M and powered to
match the 200M requirement in anywhere from 17 to 24 seconds.

Jack

On Aug 11, 7:07 pm, whytewi...@comcast.net wrote:

> Hi Jack and all.
>
>  
>
> I for one am interested in the ALES format and would like to see more competition.
>
> It would be very helpful to anyone interested if you could put more info on the aircraft
>
> most generally flown along with the motors, batteries and the altitude controller that are most often used.
>
> If I can get my new design done in time for the next ALES contest count me in.
>
>  
>
> Ed.
>
> Whyte Wings.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Jack Iafret" <jiaf...@gmail.com>
> To: "RCSE" <rcse@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:38:55 PM
> Subject: [RCSE] Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST
>
> Check it out on:http://gdshs.org/2011-august.htm
>
> I think it is the next big thing in soaring, find one and fly in it to
> see why.
>
> If you do not believe me ask anyone who has flown the event.
>
> Jack
>
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Old Aug 12, 2011, 03:25 PM
whytewings@comcast.net
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Re: Re: Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST

THANK YOU JACK, GOOD INFO.

EW.



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From: "Jack Iafret" <jiafret@gmail.com>
To: "RCSE" <rcse@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:06:10 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Re: Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST

So far one of the best things about ALES is that the planes and power
plants can cover a very wide range, everything from foamies to moldies
and like any other TD event it is up to the pilot to determine the
best plane for the weather.

Guys with Radians and Supras are on kind of common ground if the
weather is light wind and a lot of thermals, it turns into a landing
contest like all other TD events. When the wind comes up the foamies
are at a distinct disadvantage.

I like the Supra because it handles all conditions fairly well and
over the course of the day generally gets an advantage over the
smaller ships because you can see it further away and it will travel
from thermal to thermal well. That being said, I have been beaten by
foamies and Ed France flys the Denny Maize designed "Duster" (?=
senior moment) to the winners circle a lot and it is a 2M open bay
ship.

Any power system that will get you to 200 meters in under 30 seconds
is good. I like ships that have about 150 to 200 watts per pound
though my Supra is about 140 w/# (650 watts) it is sufficient to get
to altitude in about 24 seconds. May go to closer to 1000 watts next
year, or not.

The switches seem to work well and time will tell if any changes in
software or installation will be needed but for now, all is good.

Things I use to give you an idea:

1. Supra - Hacker A30 w/6.9 Hacker on three 2200 45-90C cells and
swinging an 18X10 CAM prop with a 5 degree twist hub.
2. Electron - Hyperion GS2213-14 on two TP 850 45 or 60C cells
swinging an RF 13X8
3. Super AVA - Hacker 50LMR and 6.7 6.9 Hacker GB on two 5000 45C
cells swinging an 18X11 prop

So you can see, the range of planes is large 2M to 4M and powered to
match the 200M requirement in anywhere from 17 to 24 seconds.

Jack

On Aug 11, 7:07 pm, whytewi...@comcast.net wrote:

> Hi Jack and all.
>
>  
>
> I for one am interested in the ALES format and would like to see more competition.
>
> It would be very helpful to anyone interested if you could put more info on the aircraft
>
> most generally flown along with the motors, batteries and the altitude controller that are most often used.
>
> If I can get my new design done in time for the next ALES contest count me in.
>
>  
>
> Ed.
>
> Whyte Wings.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Jack Iafret" <jiaf...@gmail.com>
> To: "RCSE" <rcse@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:38:55 PM
> Subject: [RCSE] Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST
>
> Check it out on:http://gdshs.org/2011-august.htm
>
> I think it is the next big thing in soaring, find one and fly in it to
> see why.
>
> If you do not believe me ask anyone who has flown the event.
>
> Jack
>
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Old Aug 12, 2011, 04:52 PM
Jack Iafret
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Re: Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST

Sheldon just chimed in and said Ed's plane is a Wind Dancer. Some day
I will remember that, it beats me enough.

Jack

On Aug 12, 4:25 pm, whytewi...@comcast.net wrote:

> THANK YOU JACK, GOOD INFO.
>
> EW.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Jack Iafret" <jiaf...@gmail.com>
> To: "RCSE" <rcse@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:06:10 PM
> Subject: [RCSE] Re: Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST
>
> So far one of the best things about ALES is that the planes and power
> plants can cover a very wide range, everything from foamies to moldies
> and like any other TD event it is up to the pilot to determine the
> best plane for the weather.
>
> Guys with Radians and Supras are on kind of common ground if the
> weather is light wind and a lot of thermals, it turns into a landing
> contest like all other TD events. When the wind comes up the foamies
> are at a distinct disadvantage.
>
> I like the Supra because it handles all conditions fairly well and
> over the course of the day generally gets an advantage over the
> smaller ships because you can see it further away and it will travel
> from thermal to thermal well. That being said, I have been beaten by
> foamies and Ed France flys the Denny Maize designed "Duster" (?=
> senior moment) to the winners circle a lot and it is a 2M open bay
> ship.
>
> Any power system that will get you to 200 meters in under 30 seconds
> is good. I like ships that have about 150 to 200 watts per pound
> though my Supra is about 140 w/# (650 watts) it is sufficient to get
> to altitude in about 24 seconds. May go to closer to 1000 watts next
> year, or not.
>
> The switches seem to work well and time will tell if any changes in
> software or installation will be needed but for now, all is good.
>
> Things I use to give you an idea:
>
> 1. Supra - Hacker A30 w/6.9 Hacker on three 2200 45-90C cells and
> swinging an 18X10 CAM prop with a 5 degree twist hub.
> 2. Electron - Hyperion GS2213-14 on two TP 850 45 or 60C cells
> swinging an RF 13X8
> 3. Super AVA - Hacker 50LMR and 6.7 6.9 Hacker GB on two 5000 45C
> cells swinging an 18X11 prop
>
> So you can see, the range of planes is large 2M to 4M and powered to
> match the 200M requirement in anywhere from 17 to 24 seconds.
>
> Jack
>
> On Aug 11, 7:07 pm, whytewi...@comcast.net wrote:

> > Hi Jack and all.

>

> >  

>

> > I for one am interested in the ALES format and would like to see more competition.

>

> > It would be very helpful to anyone interested if you could put more info on the aircraft

>

> > most generally flown along with the motors, batteries and the altitude controller that are most often used.

>

> > If I can get my new design done in time for the next ALES contest count me in.

>

> >  

>

> > Ed.

>

> > Whyte Wings.

>

> > ----- Original Message -----

>

> > From: "Jack Iafret" <jiaf...@gmail.com>
> > To: "RCSE" <rcse@googlegroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:38:55 PM
> > Subject: [RCSE] Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST

>

> > Check it out on:http://gdshs.org/2011-august.htm

>

> > I think it is the next big thing in soaring, find one and fly in it to
> > see why.

>

> > If you do not believe me ask anyone who has flown the event.

>

> > Jack

>

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Old Aug 13, 2011, 01:01 PM
Jack Iafret
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Re: Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST

Opps, it is Sept 4th, not the 5th in Dayton.

Hope to see some of you there. I will have several CAM switches for
you to use or purchase if you do not have one and want to try the
event.

If you do not have a dedicated ship, get a Radian and put a 11X6 prop
and 45C battery in it and come and fly. That combo seems to work well
on the stock motor and controller.

Jack

On Aug 12, 2:42 pm, Jack Iafret <jiaf...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Probably next year but I think Ed Franz is holding a meet on Sept 5th
> in Dayton. If I can make it, I will be going to that one as the Dayton
> field is really a good one for ALES, much better than for winch
> launch.
>
> Jack
>
> On Aug 12, 6:09 am, Ray Hayes <skybe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>

> > Yup, ALES is good for RC Soaring...  Sorry I missed Jack's.  when is the
> > next ALES in Michigan ??   Ray

>

> > On 8/11/2011 7:07 PM, whytewi...@comcast.net wrote:

>

> > > Hi Jack and all.

>

> > > I for one am interested in the ALES format and would like to see more
> > > competition.

>

> > > It would be very helpful to anyone interested if you could put more
> > > info on the aircraft

>

> > > most generally flown along with the motors, batteries and the altitude
> > > controller that are most often used.

>

> > > If I can get my new design done in time for the next ALES contest
> > > count me in.

>

> > > Ed.

>

> > > Whyte Wings.

>

> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> > > *From: *"Jack Iafret" <jiaf...@gmail.com>
> > > *To: *"RCSE" <rcse@googlegroups.com>
> > > *Sent: *Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:38:55 PM
> > > *Subject: *[RCSE] Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST

>

> > > Check it out on:http://gdshs.org/2011-august.htm

>

> > > I think it is the next big thing in soaring, find one and fly in it to
> > > see why.

>

> > > If you do not believe me ask anyone who has flown the event.

>

> > > Jack

>

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Old Aug 17, 2011, 03:42 PM
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Re: Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST

Discussions of optimized power systems for ALES flying often center
around the notion of selecting a motor which will result in some
particular power/weight ratio and then cramming a prop on it to
achieve that wattage. I have recently begun testing and logging
performance for my AVA and Supra and have demonstrated that there is
more to getting the performance than this.

I have added a file at this location on RCALES which discusses
propeller and motor selection. It also includes a fairly simple
approach to getting to a better prop/motor combination for starters.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RCALES...stem%20Design/

The file is entitled All Watts Are Not Created Equal.

Happy Landings,

Don

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Old Aug 17, 2011, 05:38 PM
Don Harban
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Re: Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST

Try this address for previous message:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RCALES...stem%20Design/

On Aug 17, 3:42 pm, Don Harban <misterhar...@cox.net> wrote:

> Discussions of optimized power systems for ALES flying often center
> around the notion of selecting a motor which will result in some
> particular power/weight ratio and then cramming a prop on it to
> achieve that wattage. I have recently begun testing and logging
> performance for my AVA and Supra and have demonstrated that there is
> more to getting the performance than this.
>
> I have added a file at this location on RCALES which discusses
> propeller and motor selection. It also includes a fairly simple
> approach to getting to a better prop/motor combination for starters.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RCALES...stem%20Design/
>
> The file is entitled All Watts Are Not Created Equal.
>
> Happy Landings,
>
> Don


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Old Aug 17, 2011, 05:44 PM
Don Harban
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Re: Web site report on out first ALES CONTEST

Well, that didn't work out so well, did it?

The article can be found on the Yahoo group RCALES under FILES/ALES
DESIGN AIDS/ALES POWER SYSTEM DESIGN/ALL WATTS ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL

On Aug 17, 5:38 pm, Don Harban <misterhar...@cox.net> wrote:

> Try this address for previous message:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RCALES...n%20Aids/ALeS%...
>
> On Aug 17, 3:42 pm, Don Harban <misterhar...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > Discussions of optimized power systems for ALES flying often center
> > around the notion of selecting a motor which will result in some
> > particular power/weight ratio and then cramming a prop on it to
> > achieve that wattage. I have recently begun testing and logging
> > performance for my AVA and Supra and have demonstrated that there is
> > more to getting the performance than this.

>

> > I have added a file at this location on RCALES which discusses
> > propeller and motor selection. It also includes a fairly simple
> > approach to getting to a better prop/motor combination for starters.

>

> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RCALES...stem%20Design/

>

> > The file is entitled All Watts Are Not Created Equal.

>

> > Happy Landings,

>

> > Don


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