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Old Jul 09, 2011, 04:42 PM
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They are taking care of their companies. Far better than government is taking care of the nation.
In the short run maybe. Some are gonna bite the Big One doing what they're doing.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 11:32 AM
did a reversed Immelman..once.
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as Gingrich mentions..this ain't going away anytime soon.If the WH press secretary thinks unemployment figures won't affect the re-election of Obama..

I wonder..'how did this guy get his White House position.?'

'This is the Obama Depression'

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/201...epression.html
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 11:36 AM
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When the government serves the nation it works.....when it services the people, it gets old fast.

Early on a Saturday morning on the farm the farmer tells his family, "Well I will not be here today, I going to get the cow serviced." That was enough said.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 12:13 PM
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6 months ago employers knew they had a stable tax rate for two more years. Why didn't they make hay while the sun shines. Its not as if they're afraid to hand out the pink slips if the rate goes up again later.

Wasn't that the big argument, how hiring could not take place if the tax rate went up? It didn't go up, so where are the jobs? There was supposed to be jobs! We got snookered.
The bush tax cuts have very little to do with big business. If you look at private job creation they have been the only growth we have seen. Some of that is in part to the renewal of the tax cuts.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 03:16 PM
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Speaking of Buck Rodgers, this is not rocket science.

For what the government spends on average to employ one person the private sector can employ on average three.
Straight across, every government job causes a net loss of two jobs. This is only the direct impact and does not count cascading economic impact that the loss of those two jobs causes and other jobs losses that result.
Another factor is that many government employees are actually there for the purpose of hindering businesses with burdensome and sometimes quite onerous regulations that can limit the desire to hire. The pending sledge hammer of the Obamacare bill being one example, so in many ways a government job and be a powerful anti job force in action.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 03:35 PM
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stop asking why Big Buisness isn't hiring ... they count for a minority of people employed. Ask why small buisnesses aren't hiring.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 03:56 PM
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For what the government spends on average to employ one person the private sector can employ on average three.
Interesting (yet totally undocumented) analogy. On the other hand, I can point to numerous studies which show it is less expensive to insource same-type functions with civil service employees rather than contract them out to private resources.

Here is one such study
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Straight across, every government job causes a net loss of two jobs. This is only the direct impact and does not count cascading economic impact that the loss of those two jobs causes and other jobs losses that result.
Of course you have valid data to back up your claim?
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Another factor is that many government employees are actually there for the purpose of hindering businesses with burdensome and sometimes quite onerous regulations that can limit the desire to hire.
Tell that to the widows of the 25 West Virginia miners who died due to the owner of the Upper Big Branch coal mine repeatedly ignoring safety regulations.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 05:54 PM
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Just from reading the local newspaper over the last ten years or so, I get the impression that efforts by the State of Texas to privatize government functions have cost billions and have generally failed. Anyone have any figures on how many government contractor jobs there are compared to how many government employees there are? Should mention that I am no longer a Registered Department of Defense Contractor, so I am no longer a drain on us taxpayers in that capacity.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 06:22 PM
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lol
anyone else actually check out the 'study'?
Its as old as I am, just for starters!
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 07:24 PM
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lol
anyone else actually check out the 'study'?
Its as old as I am, just for starters!
If it proves the liberal point of view, it makes no difference HOW old it is. Everything is legitimate.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 07:40 PM
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Well, I don't believe that is a liberal point of view, its something else.
Liberals wouldn't promote government control, or believe our government operates with efficiency and without waste.
What we have is indentured servants to the government.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 07:49 PM
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In 1970, when the 'study' was done (damn thats funny), if you worked for the gov it was assumed you were a righty, flat top havin, conservative, who wanted more government control to stop the crazy hippy lberals. Now, its seems you would be a lefty, supporting more government control....
In 1970(again LOL), if you opposed the gov, and fought for personal freedoms, you would be a liberal.
Funny how things have change.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 08:30 PM
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lol
anyone else actually check out the 'study'?
Its as old as I am, just for starters!
FYI, civil servants prior to 1984 had an even more generous pension plan than they do now. They did not contribute to Social Security since CSRS (Civil Service Retirement System) which would pay almost up to 80% of your "high 3" pay if you worked 40 years.

Current civil servants are covered by FERS (Federal Employees Retirement System) which has a much lower payout since they also contribute to Social Security.

If anything, the study is MORE valid today with our less-expensive civil servant workforce.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 08:44 PM
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So then where has all the money gone?
We are spending far more then we take in, and even with a tax increase we are still upside down. Would government waste have a part to do with it? that and a whole list of other wasteful 'good intentions' that have back fired?
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 09:25 PM
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stop asking why Big Buisness isn't hiring ... they count for a minority of people employed. Ask why small buisnesses aren't hiring.
Don't have to ask. It's been repeated by small business owners here over and over.
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