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Old Jul 03, 2011, 02:51 PM
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Regarding biplanes, I figured someone would bring that up. That Beast always raises its ugly head whenever UM discussions ensue- it just won't go away. However, The Beast isn't really a UM- it's not even a Parkzone. The UM series are even smaller, use 1 cell lipos, geared/brushed power systems, and are generally setup for more scale/backyard type flying. The Beast with its 2 cell lipo and brushless motor is targeted more toward the 3D aerobatic crowd. I'd like to see something slow and relaxing that can do mild aerobatics, maybe something like a UM SE-5, or a Stearman, Travelair, you get the idea.
But I agree with you, a jet or glider would be really sweet. I'd buy a UM Radian in a second. They won't be able to solve the power requirements for a micro EDF anytime soon I'm afraid- at least not one that will give decent flight time.
Why isn't the beast really a um? It is smaller than most other um's and will fly in just as small a space and actually smaller space than some other um's. I have not progressed enough for really fast planes, but find that the beast will slow down better than several other um's that I have and I don't ever recall flying it wide open for more than an instant. I just putter around the yard with it or at least until I got the Sbach anyway.
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Old Jul 03, 2011, 03:32 PM
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Why isn't the beast really a um? It is smaller than most other um's and will fly in just as small a space and actually smaller space than some other um's. I have not progressed enough for really fast planes, but find that the beast will slow down better than several other um's that I have and I don't ever recall flying it wide open for more than an instant. I just putter around the yard with it or at least until I got the Sbach anyway.
It has a brushless motor and is setup for aerobatics which means it needs bigger, more expensive batteries. It's also a larger scale model. I'm not how you figure its smaller than "most other UM's."

Eflite UMX Beast specs:

Wingspan: 14.7 in (374mm)
Overall Length: 15.7 in (400mm)
Wing Area: 83.8 sq in (5.40 sq dm)
Flying Weight: 2.36 oz (67g)
Motor Size: 180BL Brushless Outrunner, 2300Kv (included)

FLYZONE ALBATROSS specs: (similar in size to Parkzone UM series)
Wingspan: 14.5" (370mm)
Weight: 1.0-1.1oz (28-31g)
Length: 11.1" (280mm)
Uses single cell LiPo, geared brushed motor

Now, while I'm sure someone is going to be quick to point out the fact that that wingspan of the Albatross is close to that of the Beast, they will ultimately neglect the weight (and the wing chord which is longer on the Beast)- 67grams vs the Albatross' 31 grams. The Beast is a model of a small, stocky aircraft with short moments and wingspan, unlike the Albatross. Also consider the length. The Beast in real life would be shorter than the Albatross, yet the model is 15.7" vs the Albatross at 11.1" The Beast is small, but it's not as small/light as a Parkzone UM bipe would be.
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Old Jul 03, 2011, 05:17 PM
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to me the Beast is certainly a um, just like the rest of my um's. And I do and you can use the exact same batteries in it that I use in my um t28, sukhoi, Ember, etc. I fly it in the same places, for the same reasons as my other's. Just because um's are getting better, no reason they are not um's. Maybe they are super um's. And the Sbach just raised the bar higher for me.
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Old Jul 03, 2011, 07:45 PM
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The Beast in real life would be shorter than the Albatross, yet the model is 15.7" vs the Albatross at 11.1" The Beast is small, but it's not as small/light as a Parkzone UM bipe would be.
The real life size of any UM is a pointless comparison - its how small the RC plane is...

The size, not weight determines whether its UM or not. But if you don't want to consider it as a UM then its your choice I suppose.
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Old Jul 04, 2011, 05:29 AM
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Everybody has it's own definition of a UM. For me, if it does fit in a carrying box, then it's a UM. Sure enough, the box has to be small. I almost disqualified the Extra 300 because it came out with a much larger box, but then, I caved in.
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Old Jul 04, 2011, 08:29 AM
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Everybody has it's own definition of a UM. For me, if it does fit in a carrying box, then it's a UM. Sure enough, the box has to be small. I almost disqualified the Extra 300 because it came out with a much larger box, but then, I caved in.
I agree, here is a photo with the Beast and the Sukhoi and you can see the wingspan of the Beast is smaller
And yes the box of the Extra 300 is huge.
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Old Jul 04, 2011, 09:40 AM
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Also the name of the Beast and the Sbach are UMX with "UM" in the title. They most certainly are Ultra Micro planes.
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Old Jul 04, 2011, 10:19 AM
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How can a plane be defined weather it's um based on whether it uses brushed or brushless? Doesn't make sense.

Anyway to each their own.

I can't wait to see somerealflight videos of this thing. This might be my next micro. Love it's looks!

Happy 4th of July everybody!
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Old Jul 04, 2011, 10:29 AM
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What a dumb debate if there ever was one. They are tiny planes that actually fly and fly well, 10 years ago it would have never been so just enjoy it.
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what a dumb debate if there ever was one. They are tiny planes that actually fly and fly well, 10 years ago it would have never been so just enjoy it.
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Old Jul 04, 2011, 11:01 AM
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What a dumb debate if there ever was one. They are tiny planes that actually fly and fly well, 10 years ago it would have never been so just enjoy it.
Agreed interplanet. Actually after watching the video discussion of it I was a little disappointed. They didn't present any details of it being any faster or doing anything diffent at all. Basically the same as the other micro's just in diffent skin. Might just hold off until I destroy one of my other micro's and then just buy the airframe pieces to builds this up, since I do love the looks.

I have to say all of these micro's have completely changed the flying world. There's nothing greater than going out in the front yard and flying.
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Old Jul 04, 2011, 12:17 PM
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There's nothing greater than going out in the front yard and flying.
Sure there is...front yard and back yard flying!


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Agreed interplanet. Actually after watching the video discussion of it I was a little disappointed. They didn't present any details of it being any faster or doing anything diffent at all. Basically the same as the other micro's just in diffent skin. Might just hold off until I destroy one of my other micro's and then just buy the airframe pieces to builds this up, since I do love the looks.

I have to say all of these micro's have completely changed the flying world. There's nothing greater than going out in the front yard and flying.
Yeah in the video they said it flies like a parkzone micro warbird but in a different skin. Going for the Sbach .
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Old Jul 04, 2011, 03:17 PM
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Yeah in the video they said it flies like a parkzone micro warbird but in a different skin. Going for the Sbach .
I find that odd, given the warbirds have undercamberd wings, and the cat has symmetrical.
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Old Jul 05, 2011, 08:39 AM
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Yeah in the video they said it flies like a parkzone micro warbird but in a different skin. Going for the Sbach .
Yeah that threw me off to. BTW, you will not be disappointed in the sbach. What a wonderful plane it is!!!
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