Espritmodel.com Telemetry Radio
Reply
Thread Tools
Old Jun 22, 2011, 11:39 AM
Registered User
United States, CT, Naugatuck
Joined Mar 2011
70 Posts
Discussion
Guillows 406 FW-190 Options

Hey there all,
Im gonna start a build on my 406 FW-190 Guillows kit that I plan on turning electric. I have gone through all the Guillows RC builds on this forum, and Im really not sure what motor to go with? I have seen many with geared, and brushless setups, so I just wanted some options that I should consider.

Im not sure of weight yet, but the kit will be built pretty much to spec, and covered. So for now, lets say that it will be 10+ oz I guess.

My plan was to order some 5 gram servos from Hobbyking, so I figured getting the motor there would be a plus to keep everything togther when I order.

Thanks
jace314 is offline Find More Posts by jace314
Reply With Quote
Sign up now
to remove ads between posts
Old Jun 22, 2011, 11:51 AM
Registered User
United States, CT, Naugatuck
Joined Mar 2011
70 Posts
I thought I would throw this one out there, and see what people think...
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...dProduct=14398
jace314 is offline Find More Posts by jace314
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 22, 2011, 02:35 PM
Or current resident
glewis's Avatar
USA, FL, Tampa
Joined Jul 2002
4,734 Posts
I would go with a 'blue wonder' motor. The shaft is easily swapped out for a threaded GWS gearbox shaft making prop mounting much easier and without an ugly prop adapter sticking out.
Plus with the longer shaft the motor can be mounted back in the cowl just enough to hide it.
This motor makes more power than my converted CDROM motors I use in my converted Guillows 400 series models.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idProduct=2069

Glenn
glewis is offline Find More Posts by glewis
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 22, 2011, 02:55 PM
Registered User
United States, CT, Naugatuck
Joined Mar 2011
70 Posts
Thanks Glenn, That looks good. The link you provided is the "Blue Wonder" you were refering to right? Also which shaft from GWS would you recomend?
Thanks
jace314 is offline Find More Posts by jace314
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 22, 2011, 03:10 PM
Registered User
United States, CT, Naugatuck
Joined Mar 2011
70 Posts
Speaking of GWS, is there any of those combo motor/gearboxes that would work? They look nice with the spinners already! Those I saw on Tower!
jace314 is offline Find More Posts by jace314
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 22, 2011, 04:19 PM
Suspended Account
United States, PA, Grove City
Joined Jan 2011
751 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by jace314 View Post
Thanks Glenn, That looks good. The link you provided is the "Blue Wonder" you were referring to right? Also which shaft from GWS would you recommend?
Thanks
As cheap as they are, I would just buy an assortment. That way you will have various lengths for different applications. The 3mm shafts can pretty much be swapped into any 3mm shaft outrunner, with a bit of effort. If you can get that motor shown in a slightly lower kv such as 1200-1300, it may give you a few more scale size prop options, but an outrunner of that general size class works well with this size plane. I have a Park 370 in one, with more than ample power. If you like scale fuse sheeting as I do, you will need even more ballast weight than just an outrunner of that size. It currently has a 3 blade Master Airscrew 7x4, and also had their 8" 3 blade prop, both of which work well. The left torque and batt load is a bit less with the 7" prop.
Bill
Onna Vakkation is offline Find More Posts by Onna Vakkation
Last edited by Onna Vakkation; Jun 22, 2011 at 04:30 PM.
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 22, 2011, 04:29 PM
Or current resident
glewis's Avatar
USA, FL, Tampa
Joined Jul 2002
4,734 Posts
Don't bother with the brushed geardrive systems. If you really want to use a gearbox get a 12mm brushless motor to put in it.
I found the motor and a shaft at heads up rc. Only 2 bucks shipping too.

http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...lectric/Detail
http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...aft-for/Detail

Glenn
glewis is offline Find More Posts by glewis
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 22, 2011, 04:37 PM
Suspended Account
United States, PA, Grove City
Joined Jan 2011
751 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by glewis View Post
Don't bother with the brushed geardrive systems. If you really want to use a gearbox get a 12mm brushless motor to put in it.
I found the motor and a shaft at heads up rc. Only 2 bucks shipping too.

http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...lectric/Detail
http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...aft-for/Detail

Glenn
Agreed. I have a good flying Guillows Spitfire with a geared brushed system. Flew well at the lowest possible throttle setting I could fly reasonably well on with the scale size 3-blader. With a sheeted fuse, that was still in the upper end of the throttle range. Opened the fuse to remove the battery after the flight, and it had that "pushed a bit harder than would like" smell emitting from it. One of these days I'll perform an easy motor swap, with an already built up geared brushless inrunner setup that I have for it. Just too cheap to free up an ESC.

Having installed enough geared setups, the outrunners are one heck of a lot easier to install, and have the prop on center, not to mention freeing up space, allowing for the battery to be as far forward as possible. My Guillows 190 battery sits vertically against the firewall rear surface.

Back to the threaded shaft swap idea, the GWS rubber 3-bladed spinner is almost perfect for this plane.
http://www.gwsprops.com/Spinner%207x35%20Side.JPG


Bill
Onna Vakkation is offline Find More Posts by Onna Vakkation
Last edited by Onna Vakkation; Jun 22, 2011 at 04:47 PM.
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 23, 2011, 08:12 PM
The "pro" in procrastination
Steve85's Avatar
Canada, ON, Kingston
Joined Mar 2004
2,655 Posts
Hey jace,

If you really want to use a GWS gearbox, a Feigao 12mm brushless inrunner is a good motor:

http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id...05&pid=U117989

I've used one in a GWS IPS A drive gearbox (5.9:1 ratio) and GWS 7x6 and 8x6 two-blade props with good results in a Guillow's Spitfire (check out my threads for a build log). I'm about to try the three-blade props on my new Hurricane build, and am expecting even better performance.

The Feigaos are good motors, but more expensive than outrunners of similar power. In my opinion, they're worth it because they're much more flexible given the wide range of gearbox ratios available.

Anyway, my 2 cents...

Steve
Steve85 is offline Find More Posts by Steve85
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 25, 2011, 07:59 PM
Registered User
United States, CT, Naugatuck
Joined Mar 2011
70 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve85 View Post
Hey jace,

If you really want to use a GWS gearbox, a Feigao 12mm brushless inrunner is a good motor:

http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id...05&pid=U117989

I've used one in a GWS IPS A drive gearbox (5.9:1 ratio) and GWS 7x6 and 8x6 two-blade props with good results in a Guillow's Spitfire (check out my threads for a build log). I'm about to try the three-blade props on my new Hurricane build, and am expecting even better performance.

The Feigaos are good motors, but more expensive than outrunners of similar power. In my opinion, they're worth it because they're much more flexible given the wide range of gearbox ratios available.

Anyway, my 2 cents...

Steve
Not bad at all fromwhat I saw. Looks like the have the gearboxes too, which are alittle pricey but not too bad! Hey, if you go 3 blade (Which I would like to for scale) which spiner you gonna use that fits the gearbox and shaft?
Thanks
jace314 is offline Find More Posts by jace314
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Category Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
For Sale Guillows Fw 190, Zero kits NIB $25 ea. sgonzo Aircraft - Electric - Airplanes (FS/W) 1 Jun 20, 2011 10:32 PM
Guillows FW 190 Darth Marcus Scale Kit/Scratch Built 17 Apr 26, 2004 12:27 PM
Guillows FW-190 17" Conversion mlbco Scale Kit/Scratch Built 23 Dec 05, 2003 09:11 AM
Doing a Guillows FW-190 Conversion and... mars Scale Kit/Scratch Built 50 Apr 04, 2002 05:28 PM
Guillows FW-190 revisited mars Scale Kit/Scratch Built 3 Mar 19, 2002 12:40 PM