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Old Aug 25, 2012, 12:11 PM
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If someone was interested in joining the S/B fleet right now, where would they go for a boat?

Are there class suppliers currently?
Blue Crab in MD supplies hull, keel and rudder for about $700. Turn key was about $2400 (March 2012). Used SBOD's listed on RCU & RCG seem to be around $750. One Region 6 SBOD racer bought his for $110 and refinished it making it sail and look like a $1000. I found mine in the mid-west and shipped it to the bay area.

re suppliers- I wanted scale brass ($$$) and use Model Yacht Fittings, The Villages, Fl. Others use Stainless Steel (strong modern cheaper) using Pekabe (eBay) There are other suppliers no doubt.

I used AMYA as a source for suppliers and recommendations of other SBOD skippers.
What part of the country are you located?
Good luck
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Old Aug 25, 2012, 12:31 PM
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Blue Crab in MD supplies hull, keel and rudder for about $700. Turn key was about $2400 (March 2012). Used SBOD's listed on RCU & RCG seem to be around $750. One Region 6 SBOD racer bought his for $110 and refinished it making it sail and look like a $1000. I found mine in the mid-west and shipped it to the bay area.

re suppliers- I wanted scale brass ($$$) and use Model Yacht Fittings, The Villages, Fl. Others use Stainless Steel (strong modern cheaper) using Pekabe (eBay) There are other suppliers no doubt.

I used AMYA as a source for suppliers and recommendations of other SBOD skippers.
What part of the country are you located?
Good luck


Great!
So at this time, the supplier for the S/B is Blue-Crab, (or the second hand market). I am familiar with blue Crab from the EC-12 Class.
(Doug Wotring Sales Contact (717) 579-1772 tekebird@yahoo.com)


I am in an area that does not sail the S/B at all, but the leadership of my class has recently shown interest in this class, so they turned my head & curiosity.
I will sail ANY Model yacht class so long as the boat is quality and the memership, participation and leadership is high.
My questions is more so pertaining to those reading this thread that may have interest.. where do they go to get a boat?




In regards to the Misc fittings, I chose Pekabe. The metal is softer than brass, and, in the inevitable wrap-up with another boat on the race course, it is strong enough to hold your rig, but soft enought to give-out and bend when put under pressure.
Replacing a Jib Tack Tackle hook is easier than replacing an entire rig.
The Brass fittings look nice, but have no give to them. I use them on my Vintage boats, at places where it doesn't matter. I.E. Boom-Vang.
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Old Aug 25, 2012, 03:31 PM
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Great!
So at this time, the supplier for the S/B is Blue-Crab,
As of March 2012, Blue Crab was the only current SBOD AMYA certified new hull manufacturer in production that I am aware of.

Onward.
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Old Aug 28, 2012, 09:48 AM
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Breakwater,
Where in the country are you at? The father and son team from Sacramento also plan on producing Santa Barbara hulls as well, Bob Heacock has their contact info I think. I am not sure how much time Todd at Blue Crabb has these days to build boats or components as it took him over a month to send me a rudder. I would look for a used boat if I was you Breakwater. Good luck and this is a great class to be involved with. Ryan
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Old Aug 28, 2012, 01:40 PM
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Breakwater,
Where in the country are you at? The father and son team from Sacramento also plan on producing Santa Barbara hulls as well, Bob Heacock has their contact info I think. I am not sure how much time Todd at Blue Crabb has these days to build boats or components as it took him over a month to send me a rudder. I would look for a used boat if I was you Breakwater. Good luck and this is a great class to be involved with. Ryan
I Primarily sail in Marblehead, although I will travel within reason to sail the classes I participate in.
As mentioned there's no S/B action really near me, but I take note of it as a quality boat.

Quality of skippers, along with quantity of skippers on a quality boat is what I'm after. It doesn't matter the class.. It's the organisation and racing that's fun.



It sounds like to me that the S/B class would be very well advised to take a page from the EC-12 directives.
I.E. Create class moulds that suppliers must adhere to in order to create a true one-design hull, All while not ousting previous manufactured hulls and "Grandfathering" them into the class.
Shame, seems like a great class, but any class without solid, responsive suppliers is difficult for anyone to get into if they can't find a boat both promptly and economically.
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Old Aug 29, 2012, 12:36 AM
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S/B One Design---a rebuttal

The Santa Barbara One Design Class has always had sanctioned hull
manufacturers,and I would like to back this claim with the following evidence
from the recent 2012 S/B National Championship Regatta.
Here are the sail #, builder, and time period of manufacture of these hulls.
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Finish............SAIL #..........Builder................Year Made
1...................227..........Protheroe........ ..........(1964-69)
2...................2008........Blue Crab...................2012
3...................475..........Vortex(cabin).... ..........(1969-73)
4...................1354........Hartman........... ...........(1993-?)
5...................2005........Blue Crab...................2012
6...................852..........Vortex(ocean racer).....(1973-83)
7...................2011........Blue Crab.....................2012
8...................949..........Vortex(ocean racer)......(1973-83)
9...................1602........Ludwig............ ..............?
10..................00...........Blue Crab.....................2012
11..................752.........Vortex(ocean racer)......(1973-83)
12..................464.........Vortex(cabin)..... ...........(1969-73)
13..................57...........Protheroe........ .............(1964-69)
14..................370.........Vortex(cabin)..... ...........(1969-73)
15..................1355.......Hartman............ ............(1993-?)
16..................1112...... Vortex(ocean racer)......(1973-83)
17..................94...........Blue Crab.......................2012
18..................10...........Protheroe........ ...............(1964-69)
.
OK, so if I have any of this correct, the first place boat is AT LEAST 43 years
young,the 3rd place hull AT LEAST 39 years young.
this,to me,defines what the one design concept is all about-any of these hulls
in the right hands(thumbs?)ought to be competitive.and they are.
we don't have to grandfather anything in-because the grandfathers are still
sailing their boats !
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More (old) SBODs are better

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\(At this year's SBOD NAC)...the first place boat is AT LEAST 43 years
young,the 3rd place hull AT LEAST 39 years young.
this...defines what the one design concept is all about-any of these hulls
in the right hands(thumbs?) (are) competitive.

We don't have to grandfather anything...-because the grandfathers are still
sailing their boats (successfully) !
Well said!
More racing is more better!
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Old Aug 29, 2012, 12:19 PM
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I sail the old boats myself...
All I meant was it would be nice to see 3-4 manufacturers in the class all producing identical hulls.


More racing IS better! And to grow any class people need to be able to find boats, new or old is indifferent. A one-design should be a one-design regardless of age, but all I was referencing is that more availability economically would be a benefit for all of us.
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Old Aug 29, 2012, 02:35 PM
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hull manufacturing

well,this hobby is probably supporting all the builders it can.
after 10 minutes of exhaustive research, here are the current AMYA classes,
and how many companies produce the boats...
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Soling1M-----------1
EC-12---------------5(?)
Victoria--------------1
US1M----------------?
Marblehead---------?
IOM-------------------?
MicroMagic---------1
ODOM---------------1
Seawind-------------1
36/600----------------?
Footy-----------------several
CR914---------------1
S/B------------------- 2
Star45---------------plans only?
US12---------------1
V-32-----------------1
RG65---------------plans mostly
Soling 50-----------3
Open---------------?
Fairwind 900-------1
Laser----------------1
J Class--------------3 or 4 ?
Canterbury J--------1
Newport 12----------2
Vintage---------------?
Nirvana----------------1
AC Class-------------?
Wheeler--------------?
Infinity 54------------1
T-37-------------------1
10 Rater--------------?
1.7 Meter-------------1
Independence---------1

and now the word is, after all she went through to move her business across
country,Ruby Dornis would entertain offers on VictorModelProducts.
Solings are the biggest class in AMYA, what if that resource goes away ???
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Getting a little off topic here in regard to specifics of the S/B class so I'll try and nip it in the bud...


But yes. Point is no matter the class we all need suppliers. It's good & bad for the hobby. To some degree Model Yachting should be about home construction. A lack of suppliers will force that issue. But it's also bad. Not everyone has the time/skill to build a model yacht These people should be able to pick one up economically. Not cheap. Economically.

Please do continue with S/B specifics.. atleast thread readers now understand that if they'd like a S/B their options are either Blue-Crab, or the secondhand market.
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So I finally received the main sheet post for the boat. Got it fitted and mounted only to find out the deck flexes to much. Well now I have reinforcement drying under the deck to make it stiffer.
I shall see how that works out. Gonna see tomorrow and I will take some more pictures. Ryan
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Sbod race sfmyc sun. Sept 9th 1300

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I shall see how that works out. Gonna see tomorrow and I will take some more pictures. Ryan
Ryan,
Think she'll be ready for SFMYC's Race5 ?! Good luck.
Plan to race 443 and her new setup @ Race5.
See you there.
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I have to figure out a way to compensate for the fact that the travel on the jib sheet is less than the travel on the main sheet. How have others that have used RMG winches done this before? All other things are coming together nicely, but slowly.
Going to work on the backstay tomorrow. I also hope to paint the boat soon with a first coat of LPU finish coat soon as well. Ryan
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Ryan, I use Rmg drum winch's in both of my S/B's I run the main 2:1 to the jib, when I 1st got my S/B (#367) it had the old black box sail winch in it and the main was was set up 2:1 with the jib, it had a block on the jib boom and a 2nd fair lead to go to the jib trim servo
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You run the travel line with the attachment point for the sheet only to the length needed for the jib sheet and then run the main at 2:1?
If it makes any difference, all of my lines are below decks and only come thru the deck to attach to attach to the boom and jib boom.
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