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Old Jun 09, 2011, 03:07 PM
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Yeah I broke my ankle getting a plane once, and I was very disappointed in myself. It wasn't a bad decision - who knew my ankle couldn't handle a 1 foot fall?

Why is there a fine? Is it a protected bird habitat or something? And why would gliders be allowed?
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Old Jun 09, 2011, 03:11 PM
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Dave, I've searched that entire area except for on top of the ledge, I tried climbing up there yesterday and turned around after scaring myself, but if I knew my plane was up there I could definitely get it.
Hmm, well, that would be the spot, so as others have said, maybe it was picked up? You could post flyers, but if you weren't supposed to be there then maybe it's not worth the trouble.

So far I've found the EzOSD GPS tracking to work well for finding a downed plane (iTelemetry iPhone app works superbly). As you said it sounds like you won't have a plane anytime soon, but I recommend some type of GPS tracking if possible to maximize the potential for recovery. While it adds to the cost, it can save you money in certain situations depending on how you look at it.

RTH feature is also a nice bell to have. I have no experience with this yet tho.
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Old Jun 09, 2011, 03:59 PM
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Looks like the plane took a dive and did a half loop when the vid lost. If you have no luck try finding it straight down where u lost signal and keep searching backwards on.
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Old Jun 09, 2011, 05:49 PM
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I'm gonna stay safe. I've done a lot of mountaineering and rock climbing before and know how to stay safe. Won't be doing it alone either. Though if you wanna send that plane then I'm all for it! :P

Actually though, Sentry from FPVLabs has already set me up with a brand new ARF EZ Star from readymaderc.com so that's pretty awesome!


jasmine, RCs of any kind are banned in a lot of parks and open space.
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Old Jun 09, 2011, 05:50 PM
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I don't know why, but I am kind of obsessed with analyzing this video! Google maps was pretty disappointing, but Google Earth is downright scary! Comparing the video to the Google Earth view, I think others have pointed out the right general area. Since it obviously isn't right out in the open, I am guessing the remains are either wedged into the rock crevices or possibly in the larger tree.


Good luck!

Note to self: If I ever get around to building my own plane, paint it bright orange!

Edit: Damn, on closer look in Google Earth, that rocky/bushy area looks pretty nasty too! If you went straight into that at high speed, it could be almost impossible to find unless you step on it!
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Old Jun 09, 2011, 05:52 PM
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I'm gonna stay safe.
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Actually though, Sentry from FPVLabs has already set me up with a brand new ARF EZ Star from readymaderc.com so that's pretty awesome!
Downright fantastic!

Cheers,

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Old Jun 09, 2011, 07:10 PM
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I don't know why, but I am kind of obsessed with analyzing this video! Google maps was pretty disappointing, but Google Earth is downright scary! Comparing the video to the Google Earth view, I think others have pointed out the right general area. Since it obviously isn't right out in the open, I am guessing the remains are either wedged into the rock crevices or possibly in the larger tree.


Good luck!

Note to self: If I ever get around to building my own plane, paint it bright orange!

Edit: Damn, on closer look in Google Earth, that rocky/bushy area looks pretty nasty too! If you went straight into that at high speed, it could be almost impossible to find unless you step on it!
I'm actually thinking someone found it based on that path to the right of the picture you posted (going top to bottom of the pic to the right of your circles). Hopefully it's hidden in some bushes, but the area doesn't look so remote people are't out there. That trail tells me people are on that every day. And chances are someone could have been out there when it happened and watched or heard it go down. White foam sticks out amongst green when on the ground. If it was visible from the trail I bet someone grabbed it.

We all agree on the spot, and the spot is pretty small considering other searches I've helped on, if you can't find it on a few trips, it may not be there. Still, there might be some evidence of foam cause it didn't look like it was gliding in softly. Who knows?

Oh yeah, and if you find it, you must document it's lying position, and anything that will show the area and how close we may have been on it's whereabouts. I've found that LOS guys tend to think the plane went further than it really did... hard to say on FPV.
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Old Jun 09, 2011, 08:02 PM
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I've looked everywhere in that image except on top of the ledge. Not in the trees or bushes. I was there minutes after it went down and no one passed for an hour or so. I've been out there just about every day this week and have only seen a handful of people on that trail. It's not an open field either, it's a rocky slope on the side of a mesa.
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Old Jun 09, 2011, 09:16 PM
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I watched the video pretty close. The rocks part down below was the last thing I seen as it rolled over and headed down. I marked the rocks Im talking about with a small hand drawn circle. The path I think the plane took, and the area that I would look in with the bigger circle.
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Old Jun 09, 2011, 09:17 PM
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Take some friends with you and look just southwest of the rocky patch and in the trees.
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Old Jun 10, 2011, 03:30 AM
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That's to bad Vitamin.
Do you remember what control inputs you were giving it when video signal was lost? Did you cut the throttle instantly? The radio control of the plane was probably still receiving.

What are the chances that the plane leveled back out and flew on its own for awhile?

Did you take your goggles off when the video cut out to be sure it didn't head west?

I've also studied the film and have a couple of spots I'd like to check.

I would be willing to help look on foot. When are you going out next? Send me a PM if you would like an extra man on the ground.

Cheers
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Old Jun 10, 2011, 11:43 AM
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That's to bad Vitamin.
Do you remember what control inputs you were giving it when video signal was lost? Did you cut the throttle instantly? The radio control of the plane was probably still receiving.

What are the chances that the plane leveled back out and flew on its own for awhile?

Did you take your goggles off when the video cut out to be sure it didn't head west?

I've also studied the film and have a couple of spots I'd like to check.

I would be willing to help look on foot. When are you going out next? Send me a PM if you would like an extra man on the ground.

Cheers
Thats a good point! I was assuming it rolled and went straight into the ground, but who knows! It may very well have veered away from where we are all assuming it went in. Did you actually hear it hit?
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Old Jun 10, 2011, 12:05 PM
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I finally watched the video last night... it was super high up when you lost it - it could be in Kansas for all we know. An aerial search does seem like a good idea.
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Old Jun 10, 2011, 12:24 PM
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Jasmine and Lokey are right, it was rolling when you lost video, it could have kept corkscrewing and gotten more distance, I would look a little farther along that projected flight path than just on the other side of that rock peak.
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Old Jun 10, 2011, 12:36 PM
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So planes aren't allowed in the parks? Ok. You know how to get around that? Fly from your car. It's not easy, but it can be done with proper planning. You are going to want a fairly directional antenna to eliminate the multipth interference from the car body. Also, be prepared to move the car, so having an alternative landing spot is important. You also MUST have an OSD onboard the scout plane.

You need 3 people:

A pilot
A spotter
A co pilot

The pilot and spotter are obvious. The co pilot switches between a second screen, spotting the area, and looking out for local probems. The co pilot is the coordinator.

Pull off the side of the road where there is room to land the plane. Set the whole thing up on the roof of your car. When the coast is clear, launch. The pilot and copilot get back inside the car, the spotter is outside watching. The copilot's job is to search for the downed plane. The pilot's job is to fly it. Make a few passes of the area and turn home before your battery gets low. Be prepared to ditch the plane early. When flying out to the location, look for a good alternative landing site away from the road. This way you can set the scout plane down inconspicuously.

If I were within 3 hours of you, I'd drive down there and we'd get your plane back.

Having a 4th person on the ground near the proposed crash site (preferrably on a radio, not a cell phone) would be extremely helpful, especially if you need to make an emergency landing.

-Alex
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